Thu 11 Mar, 2004 10:27 pm
I got this idea from reading Macbeth, can anyone apply it to other things?
Hitler, Stalin.....just about any dictator fits the build.
I disagree with Bill. I think the lust for power defines humanity. That can be good or bad. For example, knowledge is power, and to lust for knowledge is what we have above the animals. As far as the corrupt versions of power, again a defining characteristic of men.
What IS power? To me, one of the questions when we talk about power, is power over what? Other people, of course. When we seek power over other people, we have dehumanized them, and made them simply an object of our power lust.
That is not to say that every person in a position of power dehumanizes others. There are many who use their position to make the world a better place,(whether their "world" is humanity in general, or simply the people who work in their firm).
IMO, to be a positive thing, power must come from a postive motivation to accomplish a goal. The power that one acheives becomes the result of that effort. When the power is the end in itself, the motivation, the "lust" for power, then it becomes evil.
Lao Tzu knew about duct tape, SCoates? Interesting...
In a technical sense, no, they don't morph into a different species. But we could debate forever on what it means to be human.
What it means to be human:
The ills I sorrow at
Not me alone
Like an arrow,
Pierce the marrow,
Through the fat
And past the bone.
Your grief and mine
Like sea and river,
Be fused and mingle,
Diverse yet single,
Forever and ever.
Let no man be so proud
To think he is allowed
A little tent
Pitched in a meadow
of sun and shadow
All his little own.
Joy may be shy, unique,
Friendly to a few,
Sorrow never scorned to speak
To any who
Were false or true.
Your every grief
Like a blade
Shining and unsheathed
Must strike me down
Of bitter aloes wreathed,
My sorrow must be laid
On your head like a crown.
Welcome to A2K Unluckystar.
We usually think of power in the negative sense of power over other people and resources. Our "lust" for power therefore always seems negative. I like to think that there is a positive side to power. There is both the power to do good for others (as Phoenix notes) and the power to control or transcend our own weaknesses and to develop personal strenghts. Some people take art classes, meditate, read good literature to expand their emotional scope, etc. But our greed has no positive side. Greed is just as much a threat to humanity as is negative power; indeed, the two go together.
I like to think that there are two types of people in the world - those who have control over themselves, and those who take control of others.
I like to think there are too types of people in this world -- girls and boys. And I particularly like to think about the former.
By the way, cav, in a technical sense, no, he probably did not, but then he did speak a different language than we do today, and I have translated to the best of my ability, trying to keep the spirit of the thought, rather than the exact literal meaning.
The lust for power very definately leads to the loss of humanity. Lusting for power over oneself is scarcely better than lusting for power over others.
Lust for power, not money, is the root of all evil.
Leadership is the positive side of wielding power. Anyone who exerts power over others without their consent, expicit or tacit, is not a leader.
The best leaders are those who take the role reluctantly. Anyone who jumps at the chance to wield power is potential trouble.
Just think of how bent someone must be to desire to control any or all aspects of another person's life. This desire for power is an attempt to fill an unfillable void. It is pitiful even though it's ramifications are usually horrific.
If you lust for power over yourself, it's because you don't already have it.
Nothing wrong with having power.
I have to disagree with Bill Shakespear. The statement supports a very idealistic definition of humanity.
I absolutely agree with Mr. Shakespeare. That's usually how it goes. The lust for power overcomes everything else, including ones humanity. Ask any politician (especially our current administrations), gang leader, member of the Mafia, thugs one and all.
The fact that our lust for power overcomes everything else, is why I say it is actually a defining trait of humanity.
You're not thinking about power, you're thinking about improvement. Or success. But in order to get that you already need to have power.
No, actually I'm not. Throughout history humanity has exibited a lust for power far more strikingly than anything else. We are resourceful, and driven, but as a whole we are also greedy.