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Criminal Liability for Inadequate Scientific Prediction of Natural Disaster?

 
 
Reply Mon 22 Oct, 2012 11:22 am
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Italian court finds seismologists guilty of manslaughter
(Nicola Nosengo, Nature.com, 22 October 2012)

At the end of a 13-month trial, six scientists and one government official have been found guilty of manslaughter and sentenced to six years in prison. The verdict was based on how they assessed and communicated risk before the earthquake that hit the city of L'Aquila on 6 April 2009, killing 309 people.

The hearing took place in the prefabricated building in the industrial outskirts of L'Aquila which has been the provisional seat of the Court since the earthquake destroyed the city center. As Judge Marco Billi read the verdict, the room was crowded with victims' relatives, reporters from local and international media and many ordinary citizens. In addition to the prison term, those indicted will be banned from public service for a year and will have to pay financial compensations to the victims' families, averaging €100,000 for each of the 29 victims named in the indictment.

The defendants all took part in a meeting held in L’Aquila on 31 March, 2009, during which they were asked to assess the risk of a major earthquake in view of many shocks that had hit the city in the previous months. The meeting was unusually quick, and was followed by a press conference where the Civil Protection department and local authorities reassured the population, stating that minor shocks did not raise the risk of a major one. De Bernardinis said in a TV interview (recorded shortly before the meeting) “the scientific community tells me there is no danger because there is an ongoing discharge of energy,” a statement that most seismologists consider to be scientifically incorrect.

According to the prosecutor, such reassurances were the reason why 29 victims who would otherwise have left L'Aquila in the following days changed their minds and decided to stay, eventually dying when their homes collapsed. The prosecutor thus indicted all seven members of the panel for manslaughter, reasoning that their “inadequate” risk assessment had led to scientifically incorrect messages being given to the public, which contributed to a higher death count.

The seven include Bernardo De Bernardinis, then vice-president of Italy's Civil Protection department, who in the meantime has become President of the Institute for Environmental Research and Protection (ISPRA); Enzo Boschi, president of the National Institute for Geophysics and Vulcanology (INGV); Giulio Selvaggi, director of the National Earthquake Center; Franco Barberi, a volcanologist at the University of Rome “Roma Tre”; Claudio Eva, a professor of Earth Physics at the University of Genoa; Mauro Dolce, head of the seismic risk office of the Civil Protection; Gian Michele Calvi, director of the European Centre for Training and Research in Earthquake Engineering.

In their final arguments on Monday morning, the defendants' lawyers remarked that the prosecutors had not managed to prove a clear causal link between what happened at the meeting and the deaths. “The minutes of the meeting were not made public before the earthquake. There was no press release, no official statement. So how could those deaths be caused by what scientists said at the meeting?” asked Marcello Melandri, Boschi's advocate. They also noted that the accusation mostly relies on relatives' recollections of the victims' decisions at the time of the earthquake, which can be unreliable.

The sentence came as a surprise even to the public prosecutor, Fabio Picuti, who had requested a prison term of four years. “We'll have to read the judge's motivations to understand why,” he says, declining to comment further. In Italy, the judge has up to three months to file the full motivation behind a sentence.

Selvaggi and Dolce were in court during the final hearing, but declined to comment. De Bernardinis said that the sentence will probably “affect the way experts assume responsibilities in crisis situations”. Melandri was more explicit. “In Italy you will now see many more false alarms in such situations, because experts will choose to cry wolf when in doubt. In the end they will become less and less credible.”

According to Vincenzo Vittorini, who represents the association “309 Martiri” that gathers victims' families, “we've been saying for three years that seismic risk was underestimated in L'Aquila, and now a court has confirmed we were right. Yet this verdict makes me bitter, because it means that those deaths could be avoided. This verdict must be a departure point to change the way risk prevention is done in Italy, we do not have the same standards found in other countries”. The defendants lawyers have all announced that they will appeal the verdict. The sentences will not come into effect until all appeals have been exhausted.
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 22 Oct, 2012 03:30 pm
As the article reads, I don't see guilt.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 22 Oct, 2012 03:37 pm
@edgarblythe,
As far as I know, this case is unprecedented. I do not think any scientist has ever been charged with manslaughter for inadequate warning of a natural disaster.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 04:58 am
@wandeljw,
predictive seismology is a wild ass guess based upon a heavy reliance on "event statistics". This is wrong on so many fronts.

Italy has always been one of my least favorite countries because of **** like this .
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 05:54 am
I believe their guilt is for telling people there was no danger when they in fact did not know that to be true.

Oh for the good old days . . . used to be, you could just take the sons of bitches out and shoot 'em . . . case closed.
djjd62
 
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 05:56 am
so can i sue Environment Canada when it rains on my parade?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 06:14 am
@Setanta,
Where did anyone said there was zero chance of an earthquake!!!!!

The fools live in a known earthquake zone and one would assume that they was willing to take the risk of so doing just as I live in a known hurricane area of the US.

djjd62
 
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 06:17 am
@BillRM,
the folks on trial, had been in the area studding recent tremors (before the big quake), when they finished their work, they came to the conclusion that the seismic activity in the area posed no threat, many people thought that when the big one hit, there was no danger

where they stupid to do so, of course they were
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 06:45 am
@djjd62,
No they did not say any such thing at worst they stated that such tremors was not uncommon and you can not draw a conclusion that a big one will occur from them.

So what next given that there is no real method of predicting earthquakes?
wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 07:28 am
@BillRM,
They did a poor job of communicating that there may be a risk. Risk assessment for natural disaster and communication to the public are normally governmental responsibilities. Italy should have had a better system in place to assess risk and to communicate risk to its citizens.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 07:34 am
@djjd62,
yes but thye did hedge their "no danger" statements in event statistics so that it was no guarantee expecially in a risk zone 4
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 07:40 am
@BillRM,
You either lack reading comprehension skills, or you dove in here without reading the OP.

Wandel's source wrote:
The defendants all took part in a meeting held in L’Aquila on 31 March, 2009, during which they were asked to assess the risk of a major earthquake in view of many shocks that had hit the city in the previous months. The meeting was unusually quick, and was followed by a press conference where the Civil Protection department and local authorities reassured the population, stating that minor shocks did not raise the risk of a major one. De Bernardinis said in a TV interview (recorded shortly before the meeting) “the scientific community tells me there is no danger because there is an ongoing discharge of energy,” a statement that most seismologists consider to be scientifically incorrect.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 08:51 am
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Italy disaster head Luciano Maiani quits over L'Aquila
(BBC News, October 23, 2012)

The head of Italy's disaster body, Luciano Maiani, has resigned to protest against prison sentences passed on seven colleagues over the 2009 earthquake in L'Aquila.

Six scientists and an ex-official were convicted of multiple manslaughter for giving a falsely reassuring statement.

Prof Maiani, a physicist, said the Serious Risks Commission could not work "in such difficult conditions".

The 6.3 magnitude quake killed 309 people and left the city in ruins.

Prof Maiani's decision to quit was announced by the Italy's Civil Protection department, which said the commission's vice-president, Mauro Rosi, and emeritus president Giuseppe Zamberletti had also tendered their resignations.

"The situation created by yesterday's sentence... is incompatible with running the commission's work in a calm and efficient manner and with its role of giving high level advice to the organs of the state," Mr Maiani said in a statement on the department's website.

"These are professionals who spoke in good faith and were by no means motivated by personal interests, they had always said that it is not possible to predict an earthquake," he told the Corriere della Sera newspaper.

"This is the end of scientists giving consultations to the state," warned Prof Maiani, a world-renowned physicist who was director general of the Cern nuclear research centre in Switzerland from 1999-2003.
Mame
 
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 09:10 am
What about seismometers and GPS units and such? Or do they just record movements?

Those scientists should have said "We don't know" instead of 'doubtful'.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 09:42 am
@wandeljw,
Sorry there is zero ability to predict earthquake poor job of communication that fact or not they did nothing wrong.

All stupid Italy did is to make sure no one will address the issue of possible earthquakes in the future in public in that country.

What bullshit.....................
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 09:46 am
@Mame,
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Those scientists should have said "We don't know" instead of 'doubtful'
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Yes indeed however you will not get a scientist in Italy at gun point in the future to issue any comments one way or another concerning possible future earthquakes and somehow I do not think that will serve the long terms interests of the citizens of that nation.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 10:49 am
I am starting to think that the scientific experts are being used as scapegoats. The responsibility to assess risk and advise the public belongs to government officials.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 12:18 pm
@wandeljw,
Come on everyone living in that area knew they was living in a damn earthquake zone and you would need to be both stupid and completely uneducated to not know that the art of predicting earthquakes is not yet out of the crawling stage

Blaming the scientists was just done to allowed the survives to blame someone others then themselves for living in an earthquake zone you know the same people who are rebuilding the town once more.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 12:33 pm
The other shoe had drop as why in the hell would any scientist risk a prison sentence in the future for the crime of expressing an opinion that turn out to be in error????????

ROME (AP) — Four top Italian disaster experts quit their posts Tuesday, saying the manslaughter convictions of former colleagues for failing to adequately warn of a deadly 2009 earthquake means they can't effectively perform their duties.A court in the quake-devastated town of L'Aquila convicted seven former members of Italy's so-called "Great Risks Commission" and sentenced each of them to six years in prison, prompting predictions that experts would be discouraged from working in Italy for fear of similar risks of prosecution.

Commission President Luciano Maiani and two other members resigned, along with a top official for earthquake and volcano risk in the national Department of Civil Protection. Maiani said Monday's court ruling made it impossible to work in a "calm and efficient" way.

Prosecutors alleged the defendants — who included some of Italy's most internationally respected quake experts — didn't properly inform town residents of the risk of a big quake following weeks of small tremors. But scientists have ridiculed the case, saying earthquakes cannot be accurately predicted. The convictions are expected to be appealed.

With the verdict, "we understood why the Great Risks Commission has that name," a front-page commentary began in Corriere della Sera, a Milan daily. "The great risks are those to its members, as one deduces from the verdict."

Senate President Renato Schifani has called the convictions and prison terms "strange, embarrassing."

Many scientists and commentators have noted that the court case failed to address a major cause of fatalities in disasters like quakes and mudslides: erecting homes, schools, hospitals and other public buildings on quake-prone terrain without the proper construction techniques or materials to make the structures more resilient.

After the April 2009 quake, which left 308 people dead, many experts said that the 6.3-magnitude temblor wouldn't have caused such extensive damage if buildings been constructed or retrofitted to meet modern quake zone construction standards.

In Washington, the American Geophysical Union described the verdict and prison sentences as "troubling," and expressed concern that they could "ultimately be harmful to international efforts to understand natural disasters and mitigate associated risk."

"While the facts of the L'Aquila case are complex, the unfettered exchange of data and information, as well as the freedom and encouragement to participate in open discussions and to communicate results, are essential to the success of any type of scientific research," the union, a professional and scientific organization with members from over 146 countries, said in a statement Tuesday.
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Mame
 
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2012 01:09 pm
Was predicting earthquakes in their job description? I rather doubt it. What WAS in their job description?

Would they have been sued if they predicted a major earthquake for an indefinite time in the future, ie. some time next year?

Do they have to also predict the magnitude of the earthquake?

Would they have been sued if they predicted a major earthquake for a specific date and it didn't happen?

What if it happened but it didn't warrant evacuation?

Do they have all the equipment in place that they need in order to best predict a major earthquake?

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Do medical scientists also have to predict outbreaks of Norovirus, etc. in Italy?

What about volcanoes? Hurricanes?

This sets a very dangerous precedent. If I worked in Italy, I would stick to research or get a job elsewhere. This decision has to be over-turned. It's just ludicrous.

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