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20 yrs for having consensus sex with other legal adults

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 11:00 am
@contrex,
A doctor might lost his license but a criminal matter with up to twenty years in prison give me a break..

I love the GOP they wish the government out of the banks boardrooms and into people bedrooms.

People have a constitution right to form sexual relationships with other adults without the state putting it damn nose into the matter.

Oh anyone in prison had lost their civil rights for a time so banning sex between inmates and guards or whatever is not the same as banning full adults with full civil rights from picking their own damn partners.
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contrex
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 11:34 am
Twenty years seems a bit severe, I agree.

BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 01:12 pm
@contrex,
Quote:
Twenty years seems a bit severe, I agree.
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I can see her being fired or even losing her teaching license but not a criminal charges as once you begin telling adults that there are other adults that you can not had as sexual partners there is no logical end point.

The example of a teacher and adult students calling for such penalties due to the power imbalance once more how about a billionaire forming a sexual relationship with a mid level employee in his company?

Power balance is if anything far larger in the above case so should we not had a law banning such relationships with 20 years sentence for breaking the ban?

Should not the next Bill Gate who court an employee be facing such a jail term even if the now Mrs. Gate is happy with the outcome?

Sorry but to me the idea of adulthood is the adults in question look after their own best interests and the state keep out of the matter as long as the relationships are consensus.

Oh and no playing games with the concept of consent either such as Mrs Gate could not had given valid consent because of her now husband power position compare to hers.
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Mame
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 03:46 pm
Wrong, Bill!

BillRM wrote:


While they were 18 at the time, it is against the law in Texas for a teacher to have a sexual relationship with a student.[/b]

BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 05:43 pm
@Mame,
While these students happen to be 18 years old the law does not just apply to 18 years old and younger IE not just 18 if they been 20 or if they had been 30 or if they had been 63 like me taking a night course it would had been the same.

There is no age limit on the law it was removed before it was pass into law.

I clearly gave you the link and the story that explain that not once but two times on this thread but once more for the third time here it is.

http://www.totalcriminaldefense.com/news/articles/sex-crimes/teacher-student-sex.aspx



Texas State Representative Helen Giddings wrote the 2003 law under which McElhenney was charged. However, upon hearing of McElhenney's arrest, Giddings became an unlikely supporter of the teacher and said that she had meant for the law to only apply to students 17-years-old and younger and felt uncomfortable categorizing sex between two consenting adults as a felony. When Gidding's bill reached the floor of the Texas House of Representatives, other legislators added amendments making it illegal for educators to engage in sexual relationships with students of any age, making the law much more powerful and controversial
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 06:09 pm
@Mame,
Second, I did not write the below sentence either if that was what you are refusing to it came from the following news story that I also had posted on this thread.

To sum up I am hardly ever wrong unlike others on this website.



http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Teacher-Sex-Trial-Starts-With-Graphic-Testimony-166192496.html


While they were 18 at the time, it is against the law in Texas for a teacher to have a sexual relationship with a student.[/b]

Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 07:39 pm
Quote:
Texas Penal Code - Section 21.12. Improper Relationship Between Educator And Student

§ 21.12. IMPROPER RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN EDUCATOR AND STUDENT.
(a) An employee of a public or private primary or secondary school commits an offense if the employee engages in sexual contact, sexual intercourse, or deviate sexual intercourse with a person who is enrolled in a public or private primary or secondary school at which the employee works and who is not the employee's spouse.
(b) An offense under this section is a felony of the second degree.
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 07:40 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
To sum up I am hardly ever wrong unlike others on this website.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9194/spitc.gif
Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 07:44 pm
@Ticomaya,
he is the rain man.

he's right almost as often as hackey...
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 07:44 pm
@Ticomaya,
Ticomaya wrote:

BillRM wrote:
To sum up I am hardly ever wrong unlike others on this website.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9194/spitc.gif


That's one for the sigline thread.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 07:58 pm
@Ticomaya,
It nice of the state of Texas that if you are married to the instructor/employee he or she will not need to go to prison for having sex with you for 2 to 20 years.

Gays as far as I know can still not get married in Texas so they are once more in a world of hurt.

Oh and young people need to be careful not to get a part time job as a janitor or some such at that school if they have a student lover also.

In any case before signing up for an adult education course be sure that you do not have a lover that is an employee of that school that you are not married to.

A well written law that not only take away the basic rights of adults to picked their sexual partners without interfere from the state but seems very poorly written so that for example if you are both a student and a school employee at the same time you can not have a sex life with anyone else at the school.
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 08:04 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
In any case before signing up for an adult education course be sure that you do not have a lover that is an employee of that school that you are not married to.

Tell me, Bill ... would an "adult education course" normally be held at a "primary" or at a "secondary" school, in Texas?
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 08:25 pm
@Ticomaya,
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Tell me, Bill ... would an "adult education course" normally be held at a "primary" or at a "secondary" school, in Texas?


Well there had been in Florida adult education courses offer by local high schools at night from time to time.

With special note of English language courses, GED courses, and US citizenship test preparing course and so on..................

Given the Latin make up of parts of Texas and south Florida is similar I would not be too surprise to see such courses offer in Texas also.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 09:17 pm
@Ticomaya,
Here is one Texas school district offering GED courses in their high schools.


http://www.garlandisd.net/departments/GED/index.asp

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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 10:01 pm
@BillRM,
It's interesting how you refuse to admit that pit bulls are actually dangerous creatures, but are incensed by the outrageously theoretical possibility that Texas would actually prosecute a GED teacher who may have sexual intercourse with a middle-aged GED student.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 06:30 am
@Ticomaya,
Pit Bulls? we are going way off tropic to try to attack me but what the hell.

Yes pit bulls are devil dogs just as in the 1950s it was Dobermans that would turn on their owners without cause or warning and was completely unsafe to have in the home.

Any large bred can be of concern with special note of when they become popular with the wrong type of people who then raised then to not be socially around people or other animals.

However with roughly 80 millions dogs of all breeds in the US the average death toll from all dogs’ attacks of all breeds in a country of 400 millions is around a dozen a year on average.

Pits bulls along with all other breeds of dogs are one hell of a lot safer to be around then our fellow humans no matter how many Pitt Bulls attacking stories, the news media run.

But then I do not get my opinion from news stories without engaging my brain and common sense unlike you.

PS I would bet that I been around Pit Bulls one hell of a lot more then you had and have taken note of how normally socially Pit bulls act no difference from any other dog breed and that include when being around and even playing with cats and must smaller dogs.

Next any badly written law will sooner or latter will be misused an example would be charging or threatening to charge minors who send naked pictures of themselves to others minors with manufacturing child porn and the receiving teens with having child porn.

In other word DAs using a law that was sold to protect minors from sexual predators to ruin their lives instead.

There is no question when the government gets into the business of outlawing consensus sex between adults it will cause must more harm then any good besides being un-constitutional on it face.
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 06:40 am
@BillRM,
Lat time I checked students taking GED courses are not enrolled at a secondary or primary school. You don't enroll in school to take a GED class.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 07:10 am
@parados,
Who know how the law will be read if you are sign up to take such courses given by the school board in a high school.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 07:24 am
Lovely in order to 'protect' adults males who do not wish for the protection we are going to take a mother away from her three children for five years.

If this stand this is just the beginning of the state getting into adults sex lives.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/18/former-texas-high-school-teacher-gets-5-years-after-group-sex-with-students/?intcmp=trending

Former Texas high school teacher gets 5 years after group sex with students
Published August 18, 2012
FoxNews.com

Brittni Colleps gets five years in prison for having an improper relationship with five of her students. (MyFoxDFW.com)

A former Texas high school teacher was convicted Friday after having sex with five 18-year-old students at her home.

It took the jury less than an hour to conclude that Brittni Nicole Colleps, 28, of Arlington, was guilty of 16 counts of having an inappropriate relationship between a student and teacher. The second-degree felony is punishable by two to 20 years in prison per count.

The Tarrant County jury convicted a former high school English teacher and sentenced her to five years in prison for having an improper relationship with five of her students, MyFoxDFW.com reported. She showed little emotion as the guilty verdict was read.





Dallas News | myFOXdfw.com

The teacher had sex with the students at her home over two months in 2011, authorities said.

Colleps is married and has three children. She turned herself in after a cellphone video of one encounter that involved multiple students emerged. That video was shown a trial.

Three former students who testified Thursday said that they did not consider themselves victims and did not want to see their former English teacher prosecuted. The three were football and track athletes.

Arlington police Detective Jason Houston testified that charges were filed because "18 or not, it's a crime" for a teacher to have sex with her students.

Two former students told jurors their relationships with Colleps began with the exchange of text messages that quickly turned sexual.

A 19-year-old testified that he had gone to Colleps' home twice with friends and they all engaged in sexual conduct.

A former student who is now 20 testified that he engaged in group sex and recorded his last encounter on a cellphone. He said initially the students spoke of the importance of keeping their activities quiet because they didn't want their teacher to get in trouble.

The 20-year-old also said when school officials called him into the office to question him in May 2011, he denied the trysts at first because "I was trying to save her."

Colleps' husband was serving in the military overseas at the time of the encounters. Christopher Colleps said Friday that he is mad at his wife, but stands by her "because 'til death do us part means 'til death do us part."

Putting her in jail would punish him and their children for something they had no control over, he said.

He said he was very angry and hurt by his wife's actions, but admitted the two of them have had group sex with other consenting adults in the past.

He also said people who call him an idiot for wanting to remain married to her just don't understand.

Kennedale is a town of about 7,300 residents near Arlington, eight miles southeast of Fort Worth. The high school has about 3,200 students.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 07:46 am
Well the Ark. state SC just agreed with me that such laws are clearly un-constitutional and hopefully either the Texas SC court or the Federal courts will also agree and return this mother to her children and husband.

Keep the damn state out of adults bedrooms........

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LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — The Arkansas Supreme Court on Thursday struck down the state’s law banning sexual contact between teachers and students, finding that people 18 or older have a constitutional right to engage in a consensual sexual relationship.

The court sided with 38-year-old David Paschal, an Elkins High School history and psychology teacher who admitted having a five-month consensual sexual relationship with an 18-year-old student.

“Regardless of how we feel about Paschal’s conduct, which could correctly referred to as reprehensible, we cannot abandon our duty to uphold the rule of law when a case presents distasteful facts,” wrote Chief Justice Jim Hannah.

Attorneys for the state argued the law protects high school students from sexual advances of teachers who are in positions of authority. But the high court found the law was unconstitutional because it criminalized sexual conduct between consenting adults.

In a dissent, Justice Robert Brown said that the majority’s opinion will cause disruption in high schools because there will be nothing to prevent teachers from having sex with students who are 18 or older.

“This will cause significant disruption in our high schools and have a deleterious impact on education in general and the teacher-student dynamic in particular,” wrote Brown.

It is unclear if the state will appeal the ruling.

“We respect the Court’s decision, although we disagree with it,” wrote Aaron Sadler, spokesman for Arkansas Attorney General Dustin McDaniel in an email. “We are currently evaluating our options, which include seeking a rehearing.”

Whether the ruling will or can be addressed through future legislation is also unclear.

“We’re reviewing the decision,” said Matt DeCample, spokesman for Governor Mike Beebe. “It’s way too early to talk about any immediate attempts at a legislative response.”

Paschal, who is serving a 30-year sentence, will have his convictions reversed and dismissed. His attorney, Casey Copeland, said his client was “vindicated by the Supreme Court.”

“I think that this case does not necessarily say a teacher can do that and keep their job,” said Copeland. “I think the loss of job and loss of teacher’s license might be appropriate for that, but it’s not appropriate to put someone in jail for 30 years.”

Several states have laws banning sexual content between teachers and students. Earlier this week, a Republican assemblywoman in California introduced a bill to create a law similar to what was just struck down in Arkansas. If the bill is successful, she said, California would be the 24th state to ban student-teacher sex. In some states, such affairs are a felony.

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