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Philosophy Playing Cards: Looking for Feedback

 
 
Reply Wed 1 Aug, 2012 05:15 pm
Hello, everyone! I am new to the forums here, so I will start with a brief introduction. My name is Martin Pulido, and I am philosophy graduate who also happens to love card games (as well as board games). Card games not only illustrate philosophical ideas (War=Determinism), but many are also great practice in extrapolating what you don't know through what you do know from both cards played, cards in one's hand, and studying the decisions and faces of one's fellow players. I have recently wanted to get back into drawing and design, and so I created a project for myself: to create a deck of western philosophy themed playing cards that would be (1) aesthetically pleasing, (2) thought provoking, and (3) functional. An ambitious goal, but I think the decks could be lots of fun for philosophy and playing card enthusiasts, and to play with a group of friends.

Through much deliberation, I determined to organize the suits according to philosophical time periods: spades (ancient and medieval philosophers), diamonds (modern philosophers: 16th-18th c.), clubs (contemporary analytic philosophers: 19th - 21st c.), and hearts (contemporary continental philosophers: 19th - 21st c.). Each card suit also has a unique card face background, highlighting ideas taught by philosophers in the specified time period. These backgrounds are gray or a faint red on white depending on the suit, and I hope help in suit identification. I prefer the white backgrounds/borders as they limit damage from scuffing (or so I believe; maybe I am wrong?).

Each card contains a personally hand-drawn and then vectorized and digitally finished portrait of an important philosopher. I tried to find a famous depiction (if not the most famous) of the philosopher, regardless of the medium (sculpture, drawing, painting, photo, etc.) and then redraw it to have a more consistent look across the cards. Many design decisions were tough: I looked up in biographies to discover the hair color of many philosophers, but with ancient philosophers, I just had to arbitrarily decide. I also had to make decisions on clothing. Here is an example of the design process from the original famous depiction to the hand-drawn art, to the vectorized art, and the digitally-finished piece:

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/3691/cardspreview9b.jpg

Since each card, versus just the royal court face cards, portrayed a specific philosopher, my initial design does not include pips. However, I have some alternatives that do include them, so your feedback would be appreciated. I recognize that for some not having pips will be a downer. 12-16 philosophers, however, didn't seem to cut it for the deck, so I had to make a call, which ended up being a lot more work for me! Maybe it was a bad decision.

The next step was to make the cards "thought provoking." I concluded to include a quote from each philosopher that wasn't loaded with jargon, so it could be understood by the layman. I also tried not to pick quotes that were (a) cliche, (b) made funny trite statements but said little philosophically, (c) made little sense out of context (Nietzsche's "God is dead" for instance), (d) ridiculed the philosopher by making his ideas appear impossible to understand (Heidegger's statement "The nothing itself nothings" is often used in this respect), or (e) were too religious (this deck is about philosophy, not theology or religious dogmas). On (e), I have no aversion to religion; I am a practicing Christian myself, so don't get the wrong idea. Anyway, getting the right quotes required lots of reading, careful selection, and revision.

Anyway, here are some samples of the art: 2 cards from each suit.

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9258/cardspreview6.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1061/cardpreviews8.jpg
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7276/cardspreview5.jpg
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/3599/cardspreview7.jpg

That should give you some idea of the style of the cards I have gone for and substantiate what I claimed about the design above.

I have a few alternate designs I have been toying with (original in top right for comparison's sake), but I still prefer the original:

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/4422/2sidedvariants3.jpg

Oh, and ignore the Derrida line over Anaximander; it was just there to test out how long a quote could go in that orientation. For the tuckbox, I chose to recreate a section of Raphael's famous School of Athens piece. I kept Plato and Aristotle at the forefront of the piece, but replaced the figures around them in Raphael's version with philosophers from later eras (Bertrand Russell, Immanuel Kant, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Friedrich Nietzsche, etc.). I think the piece turned out quite nice, but the artist is usually biased! Here is a crude mockup of the tuckbox:

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3042/tuckboxnew.jpg

As for the backs, the tuckbox shows how I have created a vertical symmetrical back based on the famous flammarion engraving of a man grasping the universe as it is in its reality instead of in its appearance (or at least this is one interpretation of how the engraving has been used). I think it has turned out nicely too:

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2762/verticalbackvariant2.jpg

So on to my feedback questions:

(1) What do you think of the overall design? Do I succeed at making the deck aesthetically pleasing, thought provoking, and functional? While I had to make definite trade offs between those different goals, is it overall satisfactory? What suggestions would you make that align with those goals?

(2) Would any of you be interested in a deck if I tried to create a kickstarter project? What would be a fair price range for a deck (the low range being what you would be enthusiastic about and the high range being what you would still think is fair)? I don't want to start such a project if there isn't the interest...
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jespah
 
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Reply Thu 2 Aug, 2012 05:02 am
I think these are beautiful and they remind me very much of tarot cards.

I can't say what the prices would be but you might want to check prices for packs of mid-level sports cards (baseball, etc. but not the big, big names like Ty Cobb, more like well-known players, some of whom would be Hall of Famers - people like Tom Seaver). I'd also look at prices for high-end tarot card decks.
martinpulido
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2012 05:31 pm
@jespah,
Thanks for the comments! A lot of people see the card backs as reminding them of tarrot cards.

I have thought of a new more minimal design that lacks philosopher quotes, but lists some of their notable ideas:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XbFLkB1sfTM/UCQlXdERmqI/AAAAAAAAB1E/WVa0m7JOkcQ/s650/2sidemin.jpg
martinpulido
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2012 10:40 am
@martinpulido,
I wanted to start a poll. I wanted to get votes on the best overall design for the card fronts since I have been getting feedback. I have nine designs below for you to choose from. I have already whittled down the results based on feedback I have gotten from the playing card and philosophy communities.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6868/finaldesigns.jpg

I would greatly appreciate it if:

(1) You listed the number you liked most (ie, 7).
(2) You stated whether you would buy a deck (this helps me prioritize the results; I definitely take all under consideration--as should be apparent by now--but I should cater more to those actually interested in getting a deck).
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martinpulido
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 03:25 pm
@martinpulido,
Well, it is pretty obvious at this time that the one way art design is preferred, since it is by a definite majority (75% of those polled). Looks like I got it right from the outset. Preferences are pretty evenly divided between #7 and #8. If #8 is chosen, many people suggest 2 quotes. I will probably end up with 2 paraphrased statements instead, but I honestly don't mind that. I think I am leaning in that direction.

Now that the design is fairly decided, I still have some questions on the court cards and aces, and how to make them unique. For the aces I was thinking I could inscribe the art within the suits, in something like this:

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8384/acesa.jpg

I could of course make them slightly more ornate, but my cards might be complicated enough at this point.

As for the court cards, I think I could add a border, either just on the top and bottom, or all around. The border could try to contain classic card elements, such as having the Jacks border have spears/halberds, king having swords, and queens having flowers. The suit could also be in the border. Any other ideas come to your mind?
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