Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2012 11:12 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2167731/Britains-Atlantis-North-sea--huge-undersea-kingdom-swamped-tsunami-5-500-years-ago.html

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'Britain's Atlantis' found at bottom of North sea - a huge undersea world swallowed by the sea in 6500BC
Divers have found traces of ancient land swallowed by waves 8500 years ago
Doggerland once stretched from Scotland to Denmark
Rivers seen underwater by seismic scans
Britain was not an island - and area under North Sea was roamed by mammoths and other giant animals
Described as the 'real heartland' of Europe
Had population of tens of thousands - but devastated by sea level rises.....

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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2012 11:13 am
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/03/article-2167731-13E74AF6000005DC-64_634x532.jpg
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2012 03:45 pm
@gungasnake,
Aside from a snickering disagreement with the term "Antedeluvian" (Before the "Flood") Ive no disagreement with the dates or findingss. Im waiting for the other gungasmoke slipper to drop.



farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2012 04:03 pm
@farmerman,
Id call it an interglacial sea level stand or even interstadial period , because Greenland is technically still in the Pleistocene retreat
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 02:20 am
Interesting, but not suprising. That **** about the "real heartland" of Europe, though, that's pure speculative bullshit. What we now call Spain and France were the cultural center of Europe in the interstitials, and as the glaciation ended, the archaeological record shows the cultural center moving east, not west.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 03:14 am
Actually, this has been in the news already in 2008 Wink

It's up again only because it's part of the annual Royal Society Summer Exhibition

It's summer, silly season ....
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 03:40 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Only when people learnt to write (and archive) after the 'dark age', we've got more evidence about the great floods in and around the German Bight:
- the Julian's Flood on the 17th of February 1164,
- the First Marcellus Flood on January 16, 1219,
- the Second Marcellus Flood, January 15/16, 1392.


The latter - aka (First) Grote Mandreke - destroyed some dozens of towns and villages, killing ten thousands (according to local chronics more than 100.000, which seems an exaggeration though).

Most famous and in the news NOW (reason: see my above post Very Happy ) is the (mostly sunken) island of Nordstrand and the large (sunken) town Rungholt

http://i47.tinypic.com/2j43gc9.jpg
(Cutout from the map of Johannes Bleau, 1662: Ducatus Sleswicum sive Iutia Australis)
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 03:47 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Were these towns located on what is now known as the Dogger Bank?
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 03:56 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Actually, this has been in the news already in 2008 Wink

It's up again only because it's part of the annual Royal Society Summer Exhibition

It's summer, silly season ....


It's been around longer than that.

Quote:
Alfred, Lord Tennyson's Arthurian epic Idylls of the King, describes Lyonesse as the site of the final battle between Arthur and Mordred. One passage in particular references legends of Lyonesse as a land fated to sink beneath the ocean:
Then rose the King and moved his host by night And ever pushed Sir Mordred, league by league, Back to the sunset bound of Lyonesse-- A land of old upheaven from the abyss By fire, to sink into the abyss again; Where fragments of forgotten peoples dwelt, And the long mountains ended in a coast Of ever-shifting sand, and far away The phantom circle of a moaning sea.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyonesse
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 04:05 am
@Walter Hinteler,
My point is that
ANTEDILUVIAN" has a reference to the Noadic Flood of Genesis. We all know that , within several instersstadial times and ,lastly, entering the Holocene there were several events that could be called "floods" based upon the ARcheological data and geo record.
Gunga is going to be thumping that thisis all consistent with a Creationist viewpoint when its really NOT (all of these periglacial floods are easily dated via their own "Strewn fields" and chronological data that is contained within the areas flooded, all tell us "WHEN.
For example, we know that the Mediterranean was a desert basin several million years ago and was cyclically inundated locally beginning about 5 MY ago, the CAspian and the Blck Seas were "GAteways to post Pleiocene and Pleistocene regional flooding" beginning and extending for several hundred thousand yearrs on and off due to glacial stands.

There are hundreds of other of these events wordlwide that relate to advancing and melting glaciers that to call it ANTEDELUVIAN is kinda simpleminded.,

Lets see where the boy goes.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 04:14 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
It's been around longer than that.
Sure, but in 2008 the (video) model was published.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 04:15 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

There are hundreds of other of these events wordlwide that relate to advancing and melting glaciers that to call it ANTEDELUVIAN is kinda simpleminded.,

Lets see where the boy goes.
Simple minded seems to be very polite.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 04:36 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Oh yes, you're right. I wasn't trying to pick a fight. There's a difference between legends/folktales and scientific postulation. I can see that, I was just giving a bit of background.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 05:56 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
ANTEDILUVIAN" has a reference to the Noadic Flood of Genesis. We all know that , within several instersstadial times and ,lastly, entering the Holocene there were several events that could be called "floods" based upon the ARcheological data and geo record.
Gunga is going to be thumping that thisis all consistent with a Creationist viewpoint when its really NO...


You could believe that our solar system was eternal (no creation ever) and still recognize that Genesis, Ovid, Hesiod, Plato, the Shu Ching, and most other classical authors and literature were all talking about the same thing and that it was global and not local.

gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 05:59 am
Underwater (ANTEDILUVIAN) city off of Okinawa:

https://www.google.com/webhp?source=search_app#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=underwater+city+okinawa&oq=underwater+city+okinawa&gs_l=hp.3..0j0i30j0i8i30.2937.7171.1.7496.23.19.0.4.4.1.174.1544.18j1.19.0...0.0.GiN4XbIeg5E&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=a2e370afc0354df8&biw=1166&bih=712

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJF3Sp9zAEci6wnwaUEOHYE86b0S7XpZ52jG0TgKUN-JzMYK8n
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 06:05 am
Underwater (ANTEDILUVIAN) city off of Cuba (2000' beneath the waves):

https://www.google.com/webhp?source=search_app#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=underwater+city+cuba&oq=underwater+city+cuba&gs_l=hp.3..0l4j0i30l6.83039.84299.2.84874.4.2.0.2.2.0.94.167.2.2.0...0.0.9DOLSatUzhQ&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=a2e370afc0354df8&biw=1166&bih=712

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=86402

http://www.viewzone.com/cuba.html

http://www.viewzone2.com/cuba4.jpg
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 07:37 am
@gungasnake,
Quote:
You could believe that our solar system was eternal (no creation ever) and still recognize that Genesis, Ovid, Hesiod, Plato, the Shu Ching, and most other classical authors and literature were all talking about the same thing and that it was global and not local
Are you just making believe that you know of what you speak or are you fishing for a point?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 08:04 am
@gungasnake,
Believe it or not, those are NATURL. Theyve done crystal axes studies on the rocks and they are all of a related emplacement with structurl fabric (and relict magnetism) running in the same geomagnetic directions, direction and dip.
People want this to be manmade and, like several other cooling features in magmas, they cleave with repect to their internal forces and chemistry.

farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 08:13 am
@gungasnake,
thats a bullshit CGI based upon desired outcomes. If youd look at the RAW data and even those that have been "clened up" they dont look manmade. Whtserfce says it was an earthquke that sank the Cuban "Island kingdom" 2000feet? Wheres any associated damage. wheres tsunami debris. Hell, e hve tunaki debris in the Miss EMbayment that was left over from Chixclub and that was 65 MY ago
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 06:38 pm
@farmerman,
I guess I am being somewhat authoritarian on my assertion that these Okinawa shelves are natural. Robt SChock , a geologist who teaches at Brown nd hs been all over looking at anthropogenic effects on geology and vice versa. Hes dived the Okinawa straits and has looked at the sandstone strata and he is satisfied that the fractures and cleavage into therock all conforms to natural fractures and joints along the vertical and conforms to the natural bedding planes in the sub horizontal. Those photos are somewhat misleading,because, unlike a man made feature, these are unevenly distributed and the dip of the rocks conforms to a regional dip thats been imposed on the bedding plane at least during the Miocene.
(I dont know of any Miocene people, do you)?
Also, although SChock hdnt reported on it because he didnt see it at the time he was there, THERE I a large cross cutting dike of mgmatic rock that slices across the sandstone "steps" and makes another high angled "plate" in the sandstone. The andstone is < at that point, metamorphosed by high heat where the dike cross cuts. Hardly a man made feature.

This site is similar to the Giants Caseway near Ultser. N Ireland.

     http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Giants_causeway_closeup.jpg
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