After life (soul), does it exist, is it real.

People get out of their human bodies ofen.
Thay need not wait until their human bodies die.

Its not news any more (but its fun to DO it).

How, with drugs?





David

Sometimes, drugs have accomplished that.
In my experience, u can try a lot and fail. Disappointment.

Then YEARS later, when I am not thinking about it,
all of a sudden IT HAPPENS and the REAL ME is out,
looking at myself on-the-job in court,
or about to start eating lunch in a Friendly Ice Cream Restaurant.

It feels nice; it makes me feel happy, but it has been too short of duration.

I just saw on TV the History Chanel 2, the account of a boy,
James Leininger, who before he was fully verbal at age 2, had a series of screaming
nightmares of being trapped in a plane shot down by the Japs in World War II.
He remembered the name of his aircraft carrier.
He remembered the names of his fellow officers
who 'd also been shot down & killed b4 he was,
(Walter, Leon and Billie) who welcomed him in Heaven.

His sister was still alive; he requested and received
a painting that their mother had drawn of him
that had been stored away in the attic for 5O years
of which no one knew, but his sister and him.

As a little boy, he matter-of-factly mentioned very incidentally
to his dad that when he found them in a pink colored hotel in Hawaii,
he knew that thay 'd be good parents. He had not been informed
that thay had gone to Hawaii where he was conceived in that hotel on vacation.

So, the answer to your question is: YES,
drugs can get u out, but the Japs coud do it too.




David

Sometimes, drugs have accomplished that.
In my experience, u can try a lot and fail. Disappointment.

Then YEARS later, when I am not thinking about it,
all of a sudden IT HAPPENS and the REAL ME is out,
looking at myself on-the-job in court,
or about to start eating lunch in a Friendly Ice Cream Restaurant.

It feels nice; it makes me feel happy, but it has been too short of duration.

I just saw on TV the History Chanel 2, the account of a boy,
James Leininger, who before he was fully verbal at age 2, had a series of screaming
nightmares of being trapped in a plane shot down by the Japs in World War II.
He remembered the name of his aircraft carrier.
He remembered the names of his fellow officers
who 'd also been shot down & killed b4 he was,
(Walter, Leon and Billie) who welcomed him in Heaven.

His sister was still alive; he requested and received
a painting that their mother had drawn of him
that had been stored away in the attic for 5O years
of which no one knew, but his sister and him.

As a little boy, he matter-of-factly mentioned very incidentally
to his dad that when he found them in a pink colored hotel in Hawaii,
he knew that thay 'd be good parents. He had not been informed
that thay had gone to Hawaii where he was conceived in that hotel on vacation.

So, the answer to your question is: YES,
drugs can get u out, but the Japs coud do it too.




David

Come to think about it, I did have an out of body experience
while I was breathing 2 percent CO2. I was on the outside seeing
my head from every angle, sort of like a panoramic view

There is no factual answer to your question in the headline.

A common assumption among those who reject ideas of afterlife and gods is that those dreams are merely memories happening
in your subconscious while you sleep.
Those who want to believe in a life after death often read more into such dreams.
Either way, dreaming of someone you've lost can be a powerful emotional impact, and if you miss those people, it can be a welcome and comforting experience.
In my experience, dreams, especially powerful dreams that linger after waking, are usually my own subconscious trying to tell me something. If I have a problem in life that I either ignore or don't know how to deal with, I've sometimes experienced that seemingly unrelated dreams put me in a mind frame where I can relate to and resolve these issues easier. Might be coincidental, though.
I do not know. All I know is that I like dreams and dreaming.

Cyracuz wrote:

There is no factual answer to your question in the headline.

Whatever the actual extant state of affairs is,
is the "factual answer."

Cyracuz wrote:

A common assumption among those who reject ideas of afterlife and gods is that those dreams are merely memories happening
in your subconscious while you sleep.
Those who want to believe in a life after death often read more into such dreams.
Either way, dreaming of someone you've lost can be a powerful emotional impact, and if you miss those people, it can be a welcome and comforting experience.
In my experience, dreams, especially powerful dreams that linger after waking, are usually my own subconscious trying to tell me something. If I have a problem in life that I either ignore or don't know how to deal with, I've sometimes experienced that seemingly unrelated dreams put me in a mind frame where I can relate to and resolve these issues easier. Might be coincidental, though.
I do not know. All I know is that I like dreams and dreaming.

All of MY out-of-body experiences have been in a state of wakefullness,
most of them on-the-job in court, while actively engaged in taking testimony from witnesses, not sleeping.





David

There is no factual answer to your question in the headline.

Whatever the actual extant state of affairs is,
is the "factual answer."

A common assumption among those who reject ideas of afterlife and gods is that
those dreams are merely memories happening
in your subconscious while you sleep.
Those who want to believe in a life after death often read more into such dreams.
Either way, dreaming of someone you've lost can be a powerful emotional impact,
and if you miss those people, it can be a welcome and comforting experience.
In my experience, dreams, especially powerful dreams that linger after waking,
are usually my own subconscious trying to tell me something.
If I have a problem in life that I either ignore or don't know how to deal with,
I've sometimes experienced that seemingly unrelated dreams put me
in a mind frame where I can relate to and resolve these issues easier. Might be coincidental, though.
I do not know. All I know is that I like dreams and dreaming. ["Life is but a dream. Its what u make it."]

All of MY out-of-body experiences have been in a state of wakefullness,
most of them on-the-job in court, while actively engaged
in taking testimony from witnesses, not sleeping.





David

Or they could be an hallucinations -- depending on the emotion of the situation.

MY OOB experience could have been one too

Cyracuz wrote:

There is no factual answer to your question in the headline.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Whatever the actual extant state of affairs is,
is the "factual answer."

Cyracuz wrote:

A common assumption among those who reject ideas of afterlife and gods is that
those dreams are merely memories happening
in your subconscious while you sleep.
Those who want to believe in a life after death often read more into such dreams.
Either way, dreaming of someone you've lost can be a powerful emotional impact,
and if you miss those people, it can be a welcome and comforting experience.
In my experience, dreams, especially powerful dreams that linger after waking,
are usually my own subconscious trying to tell me something.
If I have a problem in life that I either ignore or don't know how to deal with,
I've sometimes experienced that seemingly unrelated dreams put me
in a mind frame where I can relate to and resolve these issues easier. Might be coincidental, though.
I do not know. All I know is that I like dreams and dreaming. ["Life is but a dream. Its what u make it."]

OmSigDAVID wrote:

All of MY out-of-body experiences have been in a state of wakefullness,
most of them on-the-job in court, while actively engaged
in taking testimony from witnesses, not sleeping.





David

Rickoshay75 wrote:

Or they could be an hallucinations -- depending on the emotion of the situation.

Only my second OOBE occurred in emotional circumstances.
The others occurred in tranquility.
In OOBE, I was alone, about to bite into
my lunch in a Friendly Ice Cream Restaurant.

Rickoshay75 wrote:

MY OOB experience could have been one too

There have been OOBEs that resulted from temporary death
of the human body, during surgery, when the decedent's consciousness
went out into the waiting room and saw his family there,
one of whose members was bad-mouthing decedent.
Accordingly, after he returned to human life,
the ex-decedent sought out his estate lawyer
and he disinherited the defaming relative.
Does that have a bearing upon the question
of hallucinations? or is all existence itself
a hallucination ?

"After life (soul), does it exist, is it real."

Nope.

Krumple wrote:

"After life (soul), does it exist, is it real."

Nope.

You know this because soul isn't logical, or is it just an expressed feeling?

Krumple wrote:

"After life (soul), does it exist, is it real."

Nope.

You know this because soul isn't logical, or is it just an expressed feeling?

Neither. There is absolutely nothing that supports it's existence to that of reality.

The concept arises from people who desperately want to hold onto the idea
that their self will not stop upon the ceasing of their body.

that absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

That is not scientifically logical.
It reminds me of those who deny the existence of our Moon landings.

The concept arises from people who desperately want to hold onto the idea
that their self will not stop upon the ceasing of their body.

What evidence has led u to this conclusion ?

OmSigDAVID wrote:

that absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

Yeah I know believers always try to promote this idea but actually it IS evidence. Just like if you don't find gremlin ****, more than likely there are no gremlins. The lack of evidence is evidence. The ONLY people who don't accept this as evidence are believers.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

That is not scientifically logical.
It reminds me of those who deny the existence of our Moon landings.

It is scientifically logical. Only YOU are saying it is not. There is evidence of the moon landings and anyone who thinks they didn't happen are complete morons, just like people who believe in ghosts, souls or gods thinking they are real, are morons.

Krumple wrote:

The concept arises from people who desperately want to hold onto the idea
that their self will not stop upon the ceasing of their body.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

What evidence has led u to this conclusion ?

It is not my job to prove that it does not exist. It is up to those who claim that it DOES exists to show proof that it can be found. It can't be found and no one has. The ONLY place a soul exists is in the imaginations of those who want to believe that it does with absolutely no good reason to.

The concept arises from people who desperately want to hold onto the idea
that their self will not stop upon the ceasing of their body.

What evidence has led u to this conclusion ?

It is not my job to prove that it does not exist.
It is up to those who claim that it DOES exists to show proof that it can be found.

It can't be found and no one has.
The ONLY place a soul exists is in the imaginations of those who want to believe
that it does with absolutely no good reason to.

You're right, of course, but millions of people fervently believe there is a soul
and it's cruel to disillusion them.