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Restitution for child porn victims?

 
 
Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 08:52 am
"Amy" was a victim of child abuse. Her uncle filmed the abuse and shared it over the internet. The videos became some of the most shared child porn videos ever, known as "The Misty Series".

To date, the videos and photos have been found on over 750 computers owned by people who have been prosecuted for possessing child porn. It is estimated that there are tens of thousands of copies on computers world wide.

Some states have allowed her to sue the people who had her image, other states have not. One lawsuit has been settled out of court.

Here's a summery: http://hamptonroads.com/2009/10/victim-child-porn-seeks-damages-viewers

What do you think? Should she be allowed damages?
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boomerang
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 10:25 am
From "Amy's" victim impact statement:

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There is a lot I don't remember, but now I can't forget because the disgusting images of what he did to me are still out there on the internet. For a long time I practiced putting the terrible memories away in my mind. Thinking about it is still really painful. Sometimes I just go into staring spells when I am caught thinking about what happened and not paying any attention to my surroundings.

Every day of my life I live in constant fear that someone will see my pictures and recognize me and that I will be humiliated allover again. It hurts me to know someone is looking at them -- at me -- when I was just a little girl being abused for the camera. I did not choose to be there, but now I am there forever in pictures that people are using to do sick things. I want it all erased. I want it all stopped. But I am powerless to stop it just like I was powerless to stop my uncle.

When they first discovered what my uncle did, I went to therapy and thought I was getting over this. I was very wrong. My full understanding of what happened to me has only gotten dearer as I have gotten older. My life and my feelings are worse now because the crime has never really stopped and will never really stop.

It is hard to describe what it feels like to know that at any moment, anywhere, someone is looking at pictures of me as a little girl being abused by my uncle and is getting some kind of sick enjoyment from it. It's like I am being abused over and over and over again.


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I am horrified by the thought that other children will probably be abused because of my pictures. Will someone show my pictures to other kids, like my uncle did to me, then tell them what to do? Will they see me and think it's okay for them to do the same thing? Will some sick person see my picture and then get the idea to do the same thing to another little girl? These thoughts make me sad and scared
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Why should this person, who is continuing my abuse, be free when I am not free?


http://hamptonroads.com/2009/10/document-victim-impact-statement-girl-misty-series

This reminds me of whatshisname that used to post in defense of child porn by saying that the images exist so he wasn't hurting anyone by looking at them.

I think she should be able to sue the people who are found to have her images on their computers.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2012 09:01 am
Definitely! Perhaps if passive pedophiles are dragged to court and have monetary repercussions from their sick, twisted affinity, child pornography
will decline - even a 10 % decline would be a small victory!
boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2012 11:01 am
@CalamityJane,
It might make them think twice about buying or down loading or sharing it, at least. Her victim impact statement was gut wrenching.

On another thread some people are talking about how file sharing doesn't hurt anyone and I just keep thinking about this girl.....
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Val Killmore
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2012 11:08 am
@boomerang,
Ya, every person who abuses children in such way (sexual/ horrific violence) should be shot in the cranium at point blank range.

Then maybe transfer all the money from the abuser's bank to the child/victim's bank.
The government must also respectfully delete all videos pertaining to child pornography and abuse from the net. That is just sick.

That will stop the losers and potential criminals who will commit such horrendous crimes.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2012 11:12 am
Yes, she should be able to sue. Not only the pricks that downloaded the images but the web providers who keep this shite on their servers. Good luck to her. I hope she finds peace as well.
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Val Killmore
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2012 11:16 am
Using the word restitution in these cases is a mockery.

Prevention is what really matters.

No amount of money will erase the psychological scars.
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HesDeltanCaptain
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2015 09:15 am
@boomerang,
What about someone who's of legal age? As in 'revenge porn' should they be able to sue every end-user as well? What about mainstream celebs who're victimized by overzealoud photogs? Should they be able to sue everyone who then views the celeb magazines? If not, why the double-standard?

Child abuse victims should be able to sue and win damages from those who actually absued them, but allowing end-users to be sued goes too far. Not in spirit, but in practice because of the above examples.
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2015 08:09 pm
@HesDeltanCaptain,
No it doesn't go too far! Child pornography is a crime and everyone involved is accessory to that crime.

If it weren't for the end users, the child porn industry wouldn't exist. They're just as much to blame than the abuser himself.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2015 08:24 pm
@CalamityJane,
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If it weren't for the end users, the child porn industry wouldn't exist. They're just as much to blame than the abuser himself.

nor the illegal drug industry or the theft of car or theft of anything else industrys....all we do is take back the ill gotten gains. What makes sex crime so special that it has to have special and very harsh penalties for profiting from ill gotten gains from others.....for people who hurt no one and who took nothing?

EDIT: and no, I have not forgotten listening to the feminists arguing constantly that sexual exploitation is the theft of sex.....
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2015 09:39 pm
Every person who promotes child porn whether producing, distributing or watching is depraved. The longer prison time they serve, the more harshly they are sued, the better.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2015 10:59 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Every person who promotes child porn whether producing, distributing or watching is depraved. The longer prison time they serve, the more harshly they are sued, the better.


Make room in the prisons for a few million sexting teens in that case....

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Sending semi-nude or nude photos is more common among teens girls. 22% of teen girls report sending images of this nature, while only 18% of same-age boys have.

https://www.dosomething.org/facts/11-facts-about-sexting
HesDeltanCaptain
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2015 05:30 am
@CalamityJane,
True, but how then do they find end-users but blanket monitoring of internet connections. Not like that's worrying.
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HesDeltanCaptain
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2015 05:34 am
@hawkeye10,
Indeed. Child pornography certainly exists, but as with voter fraud think it's more a solution in search of a problem. Peer-reviewed studies have demonstrated that when child pornography is legal, would-be CSA'ers 'make due' with it rather than actual child victimization. If we really wanted to protect children, we'd make at least the simulated content legal. Real content of course involves victimization so kinda a wash as to benefit.

When ever something's illegal, criminal enterprises will make it available absent any restraint or limits. When it's legal government can at least regulate it as with abortion, prostitution, and drugs. Keeping it illegal only makes it worse.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-11/s-lcp113010.php

" Legalizing child pornography is linked to lower rates of child sex abuse

Study carried out in Czech Republic confirms similar results in Japan and Denmark

Could making child pornography legal lead to lower rates of child sex abuse? It could well do, according to a new study by Milton Diamond, from the University of Hawaii, and colleagues.

Results from the Czech Republic showed, as seen everywhere else studied (Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, Finland, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Sweden, USA), that rape and other sex crimes have not increased following the legalization and wide availability of pornography. And most significantly, the incidence of child sex abuse has fallen considerably since 1989, when child pornography became readily accessible - a phenomenon also seen in Denmark and Japan. Their findings are published online today in Springer's journal Archives of Sexual Behavior.

The findings support the theory that potential sexual offenders use child pornography as a substitute for sex crimes against children. While the authors do not approve of the use of real children in the production or distribution of child pornography, they say that artificially produced materials might serve a purpose."
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