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Gainsay Jefferson, anyone?

 
 
CTD
 
Reply Sat 19 May, 2012 04:26 pm
I have found and continue to find it interesting that so many individuals need to dispute the reasoning of Thomas Jefferson which I present, but nobody has yet been able to do it.

"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?" - Thomas Jefferson

Anyone care to be the first?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2012 05:31 pm
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contrex
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2012 05:32 pm
You haven't presented any "reasoning", just quoted a remark. A remark, moreover, that could be taken as advancing the proposition that it is expedient for a government to brainwash the population into religious belief. Also it is a quotation of a man who owned hundreds of slaves throughout his lifetime, and did little to end domestic slavery after 1789.


CTD
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2012 05:54 pm
@contrex,
Well, for such as can read, the "remark" I "just quoted" contains reasoning. Like it or not, reality's reality.

So long as you continue to feign inability to read, don't expect your opinions to carry much weight with anyone.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2012 06:34 pm
He's pulling this feeble **** in more than one thread. I anticipate more of the same.
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2012 07:54 pm
@CTD,
CTD wrote:

Well, for such as can read, the "remark" I "just quoted" contains reasoning. Like it or not, reality's reality.

So long as you continue to feign inability to read, don't expect your opinions to carry much weight with anyone.


What reasonng? W hat reality? You haven't posted anything whatever that could be argued except as a "agree/disagree" kind of statement.


How old are you, anyway? You sound like somebody who has just discovered the writings of Thomas Jefferson and, somehow, believes them to be Holy Writ. You haven't posted a single solitary thing that can be argued either for or against.

Oh, and Contrex's statements certainly carry weight with me, in this case, as they will with most of the posters here.

CTD
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2012 08:13 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
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What reasonng? W hat reality? You haven't posted anything whatever that could be argued except as a "agree/disagree" kind of statement.

How old are you, anyway? You sound like somebody who has just discovered the writings of Thomas Jefferson and, somehow, believes them to be Holy Writ. You haven't posted a single solitary thing that can be argued either for or against.

Oh, does CTD have to hold your little hand and walk you through?

It's a short trip; I suppose I can play along as if I believe you really can't read.

"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?" - Thomas Jefferson

Okay, let's take the part up to the first comma, alright? Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis? You might, if Jefferson's reasoning were weak, be able to argue that they could.

Now after the comma, he spells out the only firm basis. You might, were his reasoning vulnerable, be able to demonstrate either that the basis he advocates is not firm, or that some other basis has the potential to serve.

Jefferson's argument here is not immune to gainsay due to the form, as you'd have folks believe. Rather, it is invulnerable to gainsay because it is TRUTH.

Sure it's concise. Nothing wrong with that. See John 3:16 sometime, any who'd like proof. Concise statements can be erroneous; concise statements can be shown erroneous - unless they contain no error.
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