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Hey, Gothboy Called Today

 
 
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 7 Aug, 2004 04:56 pm
Hi, smog. I had trouble understanding your comment re Virginia ("sometimes, I wish it weren't").
Up there in the DC suburbs, spreading oh so quickly south and west, y'all are the "sophisticated"
Virginians, while we in the southern and southwestern part of the same state are "dirt-poor."
Jobs in textiles and furniture are disappearing and the farmers are getting old and the kids aren't interested anymore in a life as a farmer.
Virginia is changing - and I'm sure that many other states are going though the same wrenching transition.
I'm done with the rant. Thank you for reading this.
God damn, it was a beautiful day today. I hope it was a nice a day wherever any of y'all are. -rjb-
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 7 Aug, 2004 05:38 pm
Katie folded up her table last night. She had pretty much sold out of everything and gothboy was still wherever he was.
Katie met some fine people in Memphis. People just like gothboy. People who bounced along from day to day, wasting or perhaps reveling in their youth.
Katie had to go home. It was time to go back to Houston and then back to Dayton.
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smog
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 02:14 am
I guess you're right, RJB, Virginia is changing. I don't consider myself "sophisticated," though, and I don't really see southern Virginians as being "dirt-poor" since I know a lot of people from that area with more money than I'll ever see. But, I am well aware that the attitude you described is becoming the dominant one among northern Virginians. Gradually, more and more of the state is becoming a suburb of DC or Richmond. And I guess some of the magic of the state is lost through all this. I actually don't know where I'm going with this post anymore...

Ahh yes.

By my statement, I meant that I am a fairly liberal person, politically. I am still registered to vote in Virginia, and often I feel like my presidential vote is a wasted one, but maybe that is something that is changing about Virginia too... I guess we'll have to wait and see. Anyway, I don't want to turn this thread into a political discussion, but maybe I was too hasty to say that I wished that northern Virginia weren't part of Virginia, since, as you pointed out, RJB, it is all one state with one shared history. And anything that happens politically or otherwise there is all part of that shared history. Perhaps that's why I haven't officially changed residency.

Ok, I ended up ranting too. Thanks for giving me the place to do it, and thanks for providing me with a different perspective about things.

I'll add more of my part to the Gothboy saga soon enough, hopefully.
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drom et reve
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 02:38 am
This is random, and lost (probably,) but here goes:

Well, Gothboy called me today. As you might now, he's been phoning me incessantly for the last week, sounding a bit out of himself, a bit blue. He's been avoiding telling me what it was, until to-day.

He was on the road, and Katie left. You asked me a while back what her parents are like. They are absolutely horrible. Katie undermines that old saying about apples not falling far from trees.

The first time that I met them was in 1996, and they've not got any better. I was touring the crappiest of cities with a band called 'The Brass Ménagerie.' Houston was the biggest city on the list. Katie wanted to show me to her parents in all my unglory, as the person who showed her around back in the day. When I walked in, looking knackered from all those days in the tour bus, the woman said to her husband (loudly, so that I could hear,) 'is it me, or did the air get more proletarian?' Rolling Eyes. I wanted to say something about her perfume, but I left it.

When they found out about her being in Memphis with someone called Gothboy and an old fellow with a suspicious sounding name, they blew their lids, and said that they were coming to stop her 'unacceptable behaviour.' It was just as well Gothboy was gone.

Gothboy was telling me all this in a dingy restaurant on a motorway, from an orange payphone. They ran out of petrol a few days ago, and-- both of them having no money-- couldn't get emergency supplies. So, Gothboy's been doing the washing at the Lackey Inn, and Winking Joe was singing songs and accompanying himself on an old acoustic. He loved Skip James especially, and lowered himself into all that blues. Fifty people or so gathered around to hear him sing 'Devil got my woman' in his own withered but striking voice.

They were working like this for a few days, for enough money to get back to Houston to get Katie. They slept in a cornfield somewhere on the way to the Dolly sods. Lying down on a bunch of tissue papers to keep their trousers clean, and looking up at the stars.


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drom et reve
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 02:41 am
realjohnboy wrote:
I lived in London for awhile, the first really big city this country boy from the mountains of Virginia had ever lived in. I spent the better part of a month riding the rail system, checking out each station. How weird is that?


That sounds like something that I do/would do/have done, RJB. I just buy unlimited travel for a week if it's a city, month if I'm going all around a continent, and go around, getting off whenever I like the surroundings or wherever my finger stops. It's a better way of seeing the whole of a city.

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drom et reve
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 02:42 am
Incidentally, I'm intrigued about your Virginia monologues (;DWink is North Virginia rather different from South Virginia politically?

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smog
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 03:53 am
dròm_et_rêve wrote:
Incidentally, I'm intrigued about your Virginia monologues (;DWink is North Virginia rather different from South Virginia politically?


Short answer: yes.

Longer answer:

Arlington is the small, rectangular "red" county in the very northeast corner of Virginia in this map, bordering on the Potomac River and Washington, DC. Actually, there are three small counties up there: Alexandria, Falls Church, and Arlington. Falls Church is very small--off the northwest tip of Arlington--and Alexandria is south of Arlington. By this map, it looks like most of Virginia is Republican, with a few counties in the east and far west voting Democrat.

But, this is slightly misleading. In this map, you can see that a lot of counties in the east of the state voted for Gore, and this one show that Bush found lots of support in the west. Of course, there is some division between northern and southern Virginia, but I suppose that a lot of it is east-west, which is probably why RJB was careful to point out that many in northern Virginia feel the same way about people from southern and western Virginia.

On yet another map, you can see that most of Gore's votes came from urban centers in Virginia--Charlottesville, Richmond, Petersburg, the area around Norfolk, and the DC-metropolitan area. Bush's votes came from slightly smaller cities and most rural areas. Population statistics can be found here by city and here by county. (An interesting note: Arlington is one of the few counties in Virginia that does not contain any cities, so it is often mistaken as a city itself. I believe that Alexandria and Falls Church are actually independent cities often incorrectly called counties, as I myself did earlier in this very post.)

Anyway, there are political differences betweeen northern and southern Virginia, but they also occur between eastern and western Virginia, and between rural and urban Virginia (the suburbs are a mix between rural and urban, in Virginia and all over America). Yet, you still hear people from northwestern Virginia calling those in northeastern "southern Virginians," and vice versa.

I believe that the terminology--the usage of "north" and "south" to describe so many differences within the Commonwealth of Virginia--is the lasting impact of the Civil War in Virginia. Arlington (and Alexandria, possibly) used to be part of the District of Columbia, Union forts used to be along the Potomac, Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy, and the state of Virginia was constantly heatedly contested throughout the war. Brothers in Virginian families were often known to fight on the opposing sides of the war, as was the case with my ancestors in that one-quarter of my family that lived in the United States before the 1920s. Virginia was full of supporters of the South (Confederate States) and supporters of the North (United States), somewhat divided by geography within the state. And the terms stuck, although the capitalization was diminished, even though the ideals and practices of both sides have changed dramatically since the Civil War.

Anyway, dròm, that was probably much more than you cared to read about the subject. Hopefully, I answered your initial question, and that the extra bit I threw in added some extra interesting information. Most of it was fact (the stuff with links), and some was my opinion. I hope, though, that my ideas were clear and that my opinions were sensible (RJB, were they?). Thanks for reading this far, if you made it!

And, longest answer:

Way too long to post here. Perhaps I'll write a book about this very topic someday. I'll let you know if I do.

(Note: I didn't really proofread or spellcheck this post, so apologies if the writing is rather rough; I got excited and had to post right away.)
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drom et reve
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 04:02 am
That was meant to be (; ), damn it.

Anyway--

Gothboy phoned me a minute ago, from some guy's mobile phone. Last night, some guy called 'The new Satchmo' came into the dusty old inn, and started speaking to them after the set. He was a guy who collected weird stats about 'used-to-bes,' and when he saw Winking Joe, he was over the moon.

New Satch said that he had a project going, but he needed a van. He was giving illegal copies of 'Catcher in the Rye' to people who'd never read it due to the ban; going all accross America. They struck a deal over rum in a few dirty glasses; he'd buy the van and drop them anywhere if they helped him, and Winking told him a few stories as they went along. G.B. wanted to go to Houston, naturally, but Winking Joe said that he had a plan, and that they'd go to Omaha, Nebraska.

Gothboy was confused, but he was excited, speeding away at last like wild geese to the west.


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drom et reve
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 04:04 am
That's really interesting, Smog; believe it or not, I would buy the book, if you brought it out... it seems like a subject with so much to say about.

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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 01:34 pm
gollygee, so many thoughts to reply to. rjb
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drom et reve
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 01:43 pm
800 today! Who would have thought that this thread was once deserted?

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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 02:20 pm
Thank you, smog, for your response to the Virginia thing. This is not intended to be a political thread and I will try to respect that.
Northern Virginia is filling up with newcomers (some of my friends might call them "yankees").
Virginia has never gone for a Democrat for president since LBJ. Watch how it plays out this year. With the big influx of voters in NVA, with the strong support that the black bloc can bring around the Richmond area, and with some effort on the part of Edwards in the dirt-farms of this state,
we could end up in the Kerry column. rjb
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 02:31 pm
And drom...You are, I assume, British (but maybe I'm wrong). Can I ask you (or someone else) a question about London?
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drom et reve
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 02:36 pm
Well, I lived in Britain all my life, but I'm mixed heritage-- but of course you can! Fire away!

(My fingers are crossed about the Virginia election. One state's votes could change the world...)

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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 04:50 pm
We'll get back to gothboy and winking joe shortly.

Realjohnboy graduated college but it was 1968 so he got drafted and did the Vietnam thing but he came home pretty much whole. He worked at a real job for a year but got itchy feet and spent the next five years hitching around the US, Europe and Africa from Cairo to Capetown. (Hence, gothboy)

***

I ended up in London, sleeping in various parks, until I met a couple and their dog. They invited me to stay at their place. He turned out to be a low-level drug dealer, but that's another story.

I'm curious about this: There were several blocks of empty townhouses; maybe you call them rowhouses. Empty except one in ten or so of them.
We "squatted" there; paying no rent but with electicity and water.
How did we get away with that and why weren't the other units similarly occupied? -rjb-

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smog
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 05:39 pm
(RJB, if nothing else, the election will at least be interesting in Virginia this year.)
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 07:47 pm
Back to the story...
Gothboy is skeptical about this. Gothboy has been on the road long enough to recognize pretty much every scam out there. Hell, if he wanted to, Gothboy could probably pull off any of them.
But Winking Joe wants to go West and Gothboy decides to go along for the ride, at least for awhile. He knows that he can run away (bail) at anytime.
Katie? God he misses that lady. But the notion of her parents meeting him was tearing her apart. It wasn't fair, of course.

New Satchmo paid for the motel room. Gothboy took a shower. A long, very long, hot shower.

Gothboy looks at himself in the mirror of the Motel6. Winking Joe is asleep. Gothboy: 23 years old, 5'8" with long hair dyed many colors in the past but now natural brown, both ears and his lower lip pierced.

Gothboy looks at himself in the mirror.
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smog
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2004 03:35 pm
I thought that I saw Gothboy today, but it was just a 12-year-old girl with too much eye makeup. I wondered why her parents would let her walk around alone looking like that. Anyway, I still would like to know how Gothboy is these days....
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drom et reve
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2004 04:13 pm
Laughing

Weirdly, I was thinking of reviving this thread earlier today. I have something fairly long coming up. As it is now 12.10 CET, I'll probably post it to-morrow.

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drom et reve
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2004 04:14 pm
That system runs no more, RJB, but I have friends in Aix who are historians specialising in 60s Britain, so I will ask them when I next see them. It's been annoying me for some time, trying to find the answer.

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