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I just don’t understand drinking and driving

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 01:31 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
David, the defendant was observed drinking in the bar--there are witnesses to his alcohol consumption and the time frame involved. There may also be witnesses to the accident.

All this speculation is meaningless. This isn't a parlor game--it's a real case, and a real person was killed and a real person faces real and serious possible criminal penalties. I'm sure the real defense attorney in this case knows how to handle it.
Quote:
Hi, Firefly. How is your mood coming along ?

Just fine.

One of these days I'll comment on those videos. Smile

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 09:01 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
David, the defendant was observed drinking in the bar--there are witnesses
to his alcohol consumption and the time frame involved.
Well, for Tom's sake, I hope that enuf time passed to enable him
to metabolize away the alcohol, to get him below the legal prohibition.
Just speaking as a citizen, I 'm taking the point of vu
that it is bad enuf that Barry got killed.
We shud not make the event worse by ruining Tom's life too.
If Barry had cried out for vengeance b4 he died,
then I 'd have to respect his wishes and take a different vu
of the matter concerning vindictive incarceration.





firefly wrote:
There may also be witnesses to the accident.
THAT will be interesting.




firefly wrote:
All this speculation is meaningless.
ALL of our speculation is meaningless. That is what we DO in A2K. 'Twas ever thus.
Its not as if we were members of a trial jury.







firefly wrote:
This isn't a parlor game--it's a real case, and a real person was killed
and a real person faces real and serious possible criminal penalties.
That is what we r discussing.
If the OPPOSITE were true, then it 'd not be worthy of discussion.




firefly wrote:
I'm sure the real defense attorney in this case knows how to handle it.
U r surer than me; I've seen very wide variations in professional talent.


DAVID wrote:
Hi, Firefly. How is your mood coming along ?

Just fine.

One of these days I'll comment on those videos. Smile

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EqualityFLSTPete
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2012 07:07 am
From what I've heard Thom has a court date this morning, will be interesting to hear how it goes.
EqualityFLSTPete
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2012 07:09 am
@Wildhourses,
Joe that photo hasn't gone over well in town.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2012 07:16 am
@EqualityFLSTPete,
EqualityFLSTPete wrote:
From what I've heard Thom has a court date this morning,
will be interesting to hear how it goes.
I hope that the judge is of a compassionate turn of mind.
Judges ofen have a lot within their discretion.

If the D.A. is late,
maybe the judge will dismiss the case, with prejudice.





David
EqualityFLSTPete
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2012 07:44 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Thom isn’t talking to anyone, only thing I heard today was it’s not looking good for him, not sure if he was in court today or what happened but it’s being hushed up for now. A lot of his friends know his legal troubles are being posted here online so people are being quiet about it.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2012 08:11 pm
@EqualityFLSTPete,
EqualityFLSTPete wrote:

Thom isn’t talking to anyone, only thing I heard today was it’s not looking good for him, not sure if he was in court today or what happened but it’s being hushed up for now. A lot of his friends know his legal troubles are being posted here online so people are being quiet about it.


His lawyer has no doubt told him that the state will hammer him if he dares to speak.....the state prefers to have only its version of events in circulation.

There is a good chance that today Thom found out that about 13 years in prison is his future, and that the truth of what happened that night is irrelavant.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 12:20 am
@hawkeye10,
Thom might want to figure out what is happening to him, and if so he should read:

The Collapse of American Criminal Justice

by William J. Stuntz
Belknap Press/Harvard University Press, 413 pp., $35.00

Quote:
William Stuntz was the popular and well-respected Henry J. Friendly Professor of Law at Harvard University. He finished his manuscript of The Collapse of American Criminal Justice shortly before his untimely death earlier this year. The book is eminently readable and merits careful attention because it accurately describes the twin problems that pervade American criminal justice today—its overall severity and its disparate treatment of African-Americans.

The book contains a wealth of overlooked or forgotten historical data, perceptive commentary on the changes in our administration of criminal justice over the years, and suggestions for improvement. While virtually everything that Professor Stuntz has written is thought-provoking and constructive, I would not characterize the defects in American criminal justice that he describes as a “collapse,” and I found his chapter about “Earl Warren’s Errors” surprisingly unpersuasive.

Rather than focus on particular criminal laws, the book emphasizes the importance of the parts that different decision-makers play in the administration of criminal justice. Stuntz laments the fact that criminal statutes have limited the discretionary power of judges and juries to reach just decisions in individual cases, while the proliferation and breadth of criminal statutes have given prosecutors and the police so much enforcement discretion that they effectively define the law on the street.


http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/nov/10/our-broken-system-criminal-justice/?pagination=false
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 12:25 am
@hawkeye10,
Thom probably will do well to avoid reading the following essay

The Caging of America

Why do we lock up so many people?
by Adam Gopnik

Quote:
The scale and the brutality of our prisons are the moral scandal of American life. Every day, at least fifty thousand men—a full house at Yankee Stadium—wake in solitary confinement, often in “supermax” prisons or prison wings, in which men are locked in small cells, where they see no one, cannot freely read and write, and are allowed out just once a day for an hour’s solo “exercise.” (Lock yourself in your bathroom and then imagine you have to stay there for the next ten years, and you will have some sense of the experience.) Prison rape is so endemic—more than seventy thousand prisoners are raped each year—that it is routinely held out as a threat, part of the punishment to be expected. The subject is standard fodder for comedy, and an uncoöperative suspect being threatened with rape in prison is now represented, every night on television, as an ordinary and rather lovable bit of policing. The normalization of prison rape—like eighteenth-century japery about watching men struggle as they die on the gallows—will surely strike our descendants as chillingly sadistic, incomprehensible on the part of people who thought themselves civilized.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2012/01/30/120130crat_atlarge_gopnik#ixzz1l0xfIMWk



Firefly of course does not give a ****, all we will ever get out of her is "if you cant do the time, dont do the crime!"
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 03:51 am
@EqualityFLSTPete,
I see; its a shame -- the poor guy.
Let's be glad that we r not in a position like that.

U know: a citizen is not supposed to be punished
BEFORE he is convicted of any crime.
He has a legal right to be presumed to be INNOCENT.
The court shud not interfere with his dietary choices
while he awaits trial. If he wants to drink gallons
of booze in the privacy of his own home,
while remaining away from any of his cars,
the court shud leave him alone to DO that.
Possibly, the alcohol might relieve some of his emotional tension.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 03:59 am
@hawkeye10,
Is there a REASON
that u find it necessary or advisable
to refer to excrement in your expression??????? that the rest of us have to be subjected to that, unexpectedly?????

Will u write that way on the menus of your restaurant??

Damn u
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 12:09 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Is there a REASON
that u find it necessary or advisable
to refer to excrement in your expression?
Will u write that way on the menus of your restaurant??


You mean like this?
http://i39.tinypic.com/xdqat.jpg
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 12:12 pm
@izzythepush,
If he keeps it clean.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 12:23 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Would you be tempted to dine at such a restaurant?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 01:08 pm
@izzythepush,
No. I don't do Indian.
I don 't do curry; ( I did it 1ce, about 50 years ago, b4 I knew better ).





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 01:10 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
It is a genuine ad for a real restaurant, although a bit of a joke.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 01:13 pm
@izzythepush,
U can get your mouth burned that way; bad news.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 01:14 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
You either love spicy food or you don't, personally I love a Ruby.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 01:22 pm
@izzythepush,
U KNOW the origin and the purpose of the chemically hot food, right ?

I used to wear a big Ruby set in a Gold ring I got from my Uncle.





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2012 02:19 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I know old wives' tales. You either like it or you don't, a good curry house like any good restaurant only uses fresh ingredients
 

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