I just don’t understand drinking and driving

@izzythepush,

Quote:

It puts his protests against elitism, and claims about being a Socialist into context. He is just a dilettante.

Dilettante gives Hawkeye too much credit--phony is more like it.

And he already implied the man was riding his bike irresponsibly simply because he was homeless.

Hawkeye's attitude toward the man on the bike is contemptuous, simply because he was apparently homeless. It's not just about the man's "worth" in a civil suit.

Being homeless does not mean you don't have a family, or people who love and care about you, or that you're not a decent person--it simply means you don't have a permanent residence at a particular time.

This situation is a tragedy all around. One man is dead and another faces jail time, a life as a convicted felon, and the guilt of knowing he killed someone. And drunk driving is so needless--and preventable.

1 Reply

@firefly,

Quote:

phony is more like it.

Feel free to attempt to document your assertion....you will not because you can not, this is an unfounded accusation as you well know but your lack of honor allows you to trade in such trash.

2 Replies

@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
phony is more like it.

Feel free to attempt to document your assertion....you will not because you can not, this is an unfounded accusation as you well know but your lack of honor allows you to trade in such trash.

You are so incredibly dim, you provided the evidence when you branded the victim a 'bum.'

0 Replies

@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
phony is more like it.

Feel free to attempt to document your assertion....you will not because you can not, this is an unfounded accusation as you well know but your lack of honor allows you to trade in such trash.

Gotta agree with that, hawk. You're much more like an anal cavity than a phony. Keep on showing us your true colors, arsehole.

0 Replies

@hawkeye10,

Mr. Hawkeye please answer this honestly, do you really think this guy was a bum just because he was homeless? I honestly don’t feel someone is a bum because they happen to be homeless. I don’t know what happens in a person’s life, which makes them homeless. I’m sure there could be a number of reasons but I don’t believe it’s fair to call them a bum.

1 Reply

@jcboy,

jcboy wrote:

Mr. Hawkeye please answer this honestly, do you really think this guy was a bum just because he was homeless? I honestly don’t feel someone is a bum because they happen to be homeless. I don’t know what happens in a person’s life, which makes them homeless. I’m sure there could be a number of reasons but

I don’t believe it’s fair to call them a bum.

Do we need to define our terms, here??

David

1 Reply

@OmSigDAVID,

They were already defined when he was called just a bum Sad

1 Reply

@jcboy,

Defined as being what?

1 Reply

@OmSigDAVID,

He made an accusation that this homeless man was a bum. Just because someone happens to be homeless that doesn’t make them a bum, maybe he was considered homeless because he didn’t have a place to live, perhaps he held a job, I don't know but I don’t believe just because someone is homeless means they’re bum.

2 Replies

@jcboy,

I think David is asking for an acceptable definition of the word "bum" and thence, by implication, a reason why the word should be considered pejorative.

1 Reply

@jcboy,

Let me put it another way:
HOW do we know whether he is a bum or not??

In other words:
WHAT is a bum ??

1 Reply

As a note I had over ten thousands miles on my current bike and a large percents of the time I was traveling the roadways at night.

I used to cycle to work over 17 miles one way at least a few times a week when I was still working.

When I travel at night I was light up like a moving christmas tree and I will tell you that all bikes that are not light up are almost invisible to even other bike riders let alone the drivers of cars.

Not to mention the charming habit of many to ride again the traffic where people are looking in the wrong direction to detect them before turning into another roadway.

0 Replies

@Lustig Andrei,

hehe thank you Andrei.

1. A tramp; a vagrant.
2. A lazy or shiftless person, especially one who seeks to live solely by the support of others.
3. An incompetent, insignificant, or obnoxious person: The batter called the pitcher a bum.
4. One who is devoted to a particular activity or milieu: a beach bum.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bum

Now this man was homeless but I have no idea he wasn’t supporting himself in some way so I think calling him a bum is a little extreme.

2 Replies

@jcboy,

Yes; we don't know.

Bill makes a very good point qua the value
of ILLUMINATING yourself, if u r a bike rider.

David

0 Replies

@jcboy,

jcboy wrote:

Now this man was homeless but I have no idea he wasn’t supporting himself in some way so I think calling him a bum is a little extreme.

Certainly there is a lack of evidence to warrant such a conclusion.

0 Replies

@OmSigDAVID,

Quote:

Let me put it another way:
HOW do we know whether he is a bum or not??

If he was respectable, or trying to get to respectable, he would have been in one of the shelters by curfew instead of riding around the streets on is bike in the middle of the night making himself a danger to motorists. St Pete has had a long history of coddling the homeless and thus being a magnet for the nations homeless, which they are now working hard to change. ....hopefully this event spurs renewed resolve to solve the homeless problem, to get them off the streets of St Pete and either into a program or else motivated to vacate St Pete for more hospitable cities.

5 Replies

@hawkeye10,

Quote:

by curfew instead of riding around the streets on is bike in the middle of the night making himself a danger to motorists

Hawkeye there are good reasons to travel late at night when cycling.

Number one you can do so on roadways that would be suicidal t0 travel on during the day due to heavy traffic.

In hot climates it is the coolest time to work up a sweat.

An for myself I always love the feelings of being out when the rest of the world is sleeping.

The only thing you need to do is to light yourself up and cycling at night is safer then daytime travel in many cases.

0 Replies

@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
Let me put it another way:
HOW do we know whether he is a bum or not??

If he was respectable, or trying to get to respectable, he would have been in one of the shelters by curfew instead of riding around the streets on is bike in the middle of the night making himself a danger to motorists.

or maybe he was riding to or from work

~~~~

you don't know
we don't know

~~~~

not sure why you're behaving like this. I certainly have my suspicions, but I don't know - just like you don't know for sure what the cyclist was doing out there when he was killed by a drunk driver.

2 Replies

@hawkeye10,

Quote:

If he was respectable, or trying to get to respectable, he would have been in one of the shelters by curfew instead of riding around the streets on is bike in the middle of the night making himself a danger to motorists.

That's an absurd, and unwarranted conclusion. You know absolutely nothing about the man other than the police statement that he might have been homeless.

Why are you trying to blame the man for his own death? And why are you further disparaging his character by implying he wasn't "respectable" or was a "bum"?

The danger on the streets that night was the drunk driver who hit him and then left him on the street to die.

1 Reply

@ehBeth,

Quote:

not sure why you're behaving like this. I certainly have my suspicions, but I don't know - just like you don't know for sure what the cyclist was doing out there when he was killed by a drunk driver.

There is a principle to defend here, that being that justice demands that all of the facts be taken in and evaluated when we judge how to punish a man for wrong doing. In this case the guy went 1.5 blocks before calling which has earned him two fleeing the scene charges, which is wrong. In this case he likely hit a vagrant who was a danger to himself and to others an was partly responsible for his own death, but I doubt that Florida law allows consideration of that. I am looking at this case through my preconceived opinion that the state is more interested in beating on citizens than it is in justice.....we shall see if this plays out in such a way as to support my opinion.

2 Replies

I just don’t understand drinking and driving

Related Topics

Quick Links

My Account

able2know