I just don’t understand drinking and driving

@firefly,

Maybe if he were sober, he wouldn't have panicked and run away from the scene. (Seeing as how he's charged with two counts related to leaving the scene of an accident.)

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@DrewDad,

Maybe if bicyclist had been in a state of grace, Jesus would have swooped down on a pterodactyl and carried the poor bastard to safety.

You never know.

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@DrewDad,

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Maybe if he were sober, he wouldn't have panicked and run away from the scene

And running from the scene doubles the penalty for DUI manslaughter.

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@DrewDad,

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I don't know if your doing this reflexively because you're used to arguing with Firefly, or if you hate cops, or what. But you're coming off as more paranoid than usual.

When police reports dont make sense based upon the totality of the information that is available then I start to ask questions about the police report. IMHO you should too.

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@firefly,

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And running from the scene doubles the penalty for DUI manslaughter.

a person on the phone to authorities immedietly after an incident is not running from anything, they are doing the opposite of running.

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@firefly,

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So, maybe he would have hit a pedestrian too if one was around. They don't walk around wearing lights either.

Yes and cold sober drivers had hit pedestrains and cyclists at night many hundreds or even thousands of times a year.

It is the duty of a night cyclist to light up his bike and it is the duty of a pedestrain to take extra care at night.

Oh on my night walks I carry a small LED flashlight and anytime I am in a roadway the damn thing is turn on!!!!!!!!!!

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@DrewDad,

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Maybe if bicyclist had been in a state of grace, Jesus would have swooped down on a pterodactyl and carried the poor bastard to safety.

You never know.

Or maybe the cyclist was planted there by the government, just to cause the accident, so the state could have an excuse to arrest another of the "tens of thousands of innocent men" they arrest and charge constantly, just to force them into a plea bargain in order to keep the system going.

The paranoid duo of BillRM and Hawkeye will likely say that's possible.

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@hawkeye10,

Whether he called the authorities or not, he still left the scene of the crime.

No doubt his judgement was impaired by they alcohol.

Even the minor accidents I've been involved in, I was in no shape to drive immediately afterward.

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@hawkeye10,

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a person on the phone to authorities immedietly after an incident is not running from anything, they are doing the opposite of running.

They are reporting an accident after having left the scene of that accident. He is charged with leaving the scene.

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When police reports dont make sense based upon the totality of the information that is available then I start to ask questions about the police report. IMHO you should too.

Where did you see the actual police report? Or the actual criminal complaint that was presented in court to justify the criminal charges?

You don't know a damn thing beyond the brief statement in the newspaper. That's not a formal police report or criminal complaint.

Your speculations are meaningless.

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@firefly,

and unlimited by reason...

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@hawkeye10,

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a person on the phone to authorities immedietly after an incident is not running from anything, they are doing the opposite of running.

Hawkeye it the letter of the law that matter not the spirit or common sense.

It does not matter if someone needed to leave to save a life for example the only thing that matter is that someone let the scene of an accident.

No logic and no common sense can or should be allow only the most direct reading of the law text matter.

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@BillRM,

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Hawkeye it the letter of the law that matter not the spirit or common sense.

That is a different matter....here I was objecting to Firefly's use of the word "running". It was not an appropriate use of the word

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@DrewDad,

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Maybe if bicyclist had been in a state of grace, Jesus would have swooped down on a pterodactyl and carried the poor bastard to safety.

You never know.

where is the state of Grace located?

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@BillRM,

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It does not matter if someone needed to leave to save a life for example the only thing that matter is that someone let the scene of an accident.

In this instance the driver did not leave the scene to save a life...

The driver never stopped his car. He continued to drive drunk, even after hitting a person and fatally injuring him. And he went home...
And you have no idea when he called police after he got home. Nor do you know for a fact that he ever called police. The newspaper report was vague on whether or not Thom had called the police. jcboy said Thom called the police, but that's hearsay, he heard it third-hand, and it might not be true. Maybe the accident was witnessed. Maybe someone got a plate number or partial plate number and the police tracked Thom down. You really don't know.

But he definitely left the scene of the accident. And made his legal situation much more serious by doing that.

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@DrewDad,

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Maybe if bicyclist had been in a state of grace,
Jesus would have swooped down on a pterodactyl
and carried the poor bastard to safety.

You never know.

Woud it have been easier just to advise the bicyclist
to stay off the road for a minute, until Thom passes?
No need to inconvenience the pterodactyl.
( I've never had much confidence in your good will toward pterodactyls. )

I 'm reminded of hearing this from a rather ruff, loudmouthed attorney
from whom it woud not expected:
he alleged that he was driving with his family along a road much used by them,
when his long deceased grandmother told him to get out of that lane.
He had no visible reason to turn out of that lane.
He did so, and something unusual happened in that lane,
such that if he had remained therein, a terrible crash
woud have occurred, presumably with negative effects upon his clan.

He gave more details that I don't remember.
In revealing this, he put himself into a position of potential ridicule,
such that it was a little like a declaration against interest.

David

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@blueveinedthrobber,

blueveinedthrobber wrote:

where is the state of Grace located?

Oklahoma ?

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If anyone is going to be in Kankakee on Friday how about going to the funeral for some reporting? One of the daughters currently has on old pic of him on Facebook

http://www.facebook.com/ashlil1

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@hawkeye10,

You're pathetic.

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@firefly,

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You're pathetic.

I'm curious.

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@hawkeye10,

About someone you consider a worthless bum, a menace to society, and a danger to himself and others?

Or do you just enjoy hearing about grieving relatives who are burying a family member killed by a drunk driver?

You're pathetic.

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