I just don’t understand drinking and driving

Not every one knows how to proof read, or deal with spell check. What world do you show up from? Have you walked away from your own city block? People, very smart people, have posted here after a stroke or two, and with impaired hands. At least one fellow had horrible trouble seeing. Some deal with mental difficulties. To all of these, you seem to wave your smart hand.

On the other hand, I infer from others that Bill may be better at english than he shows.

To all of these, you seem to wave your smart hand.

jcboy wrote:

nobody seemed to mention the poor guy on the bicycle.

in case anyone remembers the poor guy on the bicycle

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Barry Lancaster, 47, of St. Petersburg, Fla., formerly of Bradley, died Dec. 23, 2011. Arrangements are pending at the Clancy-Gernon-Hertz Funeral Home, west Kankakee.

And I am consequently subjected to his insults, sarcasm, patronizing attitudes, lies, and crazy fantasies, about me, more than most people are.

I have no desire to be nice to him, JTT.

There is not going to be a trial here, we are never going to get a good accounting of the facts,
our system does not work like that.

Oh, knock it off.

When a defense attorney thinks he/she has a good chance with a jury, because the state may have problems proving elements of their case, or because they can discredit or counter the state's evidence, they will suggest to the client that they go to trial.

You only take a plea deal when that is the better alternative.

Hawkeye, you are only entitled to "an accounting of the facts" when the information is publicly available--the exact criminal charges and the defendant's behavior that justified the charges, proceedings that take place in open court, information presented at trial, etc. If a defendant takes a plea, you will know "the facts" of the reduced charges and the sentence given. You are not a party to the actual plea deal negotiations, so why would you think you are entitled to such information?

On the one hand, you carry on about the fact that our criminal justice system even reveals the names and identity of those who are arrested, and then you turn around and want to know everything about the person--including what they do for a living, whether they have a professional license, etc.

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the state is putting out press releases with its side of the story, leaving out the parts
that dont paint Thom as a complete ass-hole

The only relevant factual information about Thom, that is publicly available, is the nature of the criminal charges against him. Thom's side of the story would come from his defense attorney, but the defense is under no obligation to say anything to the press unless it benefits the client in some way. And press statements made by defense attorneys are not considered "facts", they are spin. So, you'll just have to live without your fill of unsubstantiated info in this case.

Our system works just fine. If Thom wants to take his case to trial, that is certainly an option for him. If he decides to take a plea, it will be because that is the better alternative for him.

Funny how they both dragged in child porn and rape, when neither are related to this topic, isn't it?

I think it's just a matter of time. Bill's probably got a child porn default button that the frog presses every time he seizes up. You're right though, their response has just been about how they're persecuted by the big bad government, and has nothing to do with either Thom or the cyclist.

I think that Hawyeye is arguing that the rest of us (Individual citizens in America)
r negatively affected by the collective ABUSING its position,
terrorizing defendants, to make prosecutors look good.

I am saying that almost all the time in the American "justice" system there is no trial

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I am saying that almost all the time in the American "justice" system there is no trial

Try visiting your county court house--there are trials going on all the time.

But go ahead, do your thing making fun re words.

Once more Firefly if the only way to summary help
would be to leave the scene you would not do so as that is breaking the law.

Once more, birdbrain, if Thom had left the scene in order to summon help, and he had actually immediately summoned that help from the first phone he could find, he wouldn't be charged with failing to aid the victim. Nor are you familiar with the wording of the statute he is charged with violating. Your comments simply display your ignorance of the statute, which is why they are absurd.

The frogs in your head can't distinguish between an immediate call to 911 to request an ambulance for a victim, and a call to police to report an accident, in which he thought he hit a pedestrian. Do you know whether he ever made a call to request an ambulance for the cyclist?

Hawkeye do not confront the "lady" with the fact that less then 10 percents of all cases ever see a jury trial in this nation at either the states or Federal levels

In 90% of criminal cases we the people have little viability on the events that transpired leading up to the charges.

am highly insulted that I am being taken for such a fool by Firefly. My fellow A2K'ers should in my opinion feel likewise.

Should be visibility.