I just don’t understand drinking and driving

@firefly,

Cute cartoon but could you not find a new one everyone in a blue moon?

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@BillRM,

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if we are talking about real drunks I would agree with you but as we are not so when talking about anyone near a BAC of .08

Well, someone with a BAC level of .08, probably isn't a "real drunk" by your drinking standards

YOU'VE ALREADY DEMONSTRASTED YOUR IGNORANCE OF ALCOHOL"S SIGNIFICANTLY IMPAIRING EFFECTS, ON DRIVING SKILLS AND ABILITIES, AT A BAC=.08.

AS WELL AS YOUR IGNORANCE OF THE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED RISK OF CRASHES, AND FATALITIES AT A BAC=.08.

SO, WHO'S INTERESTED IN YOUR IDEA OF A "REAL DRUNK"? Laughing

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Cute cartoon but could you not find a new one everyone in a blue moon?

That's not a cartoon, and that photo should be your new avatar.

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@firefly,

Once more the impairment in driving at BAC of .08 is so slight that it compare to talking on a cell phone so all the people reading this post who had talked on a cell phone when driving should be by the Firefly logic be consider to be the equal of being a drunk driver and you should all be facing thousands of dollars of fines and in theory possible jail time and a lic. suspension of 6 months or so.

The impairment of .08 is also of a degree to reduce a thirty something driver to the skill level of a twenty something driver.

Oh the lost of a night sleep will also impaired you driving skills to the same level as .08 BAC.

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@BillRM,

No point wasting any more words on you...nothing gets through.

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@firefly,

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WHO'S INTERESTED IN YOUR IDEA OF A "REAL DRUNK

The federal government was not interested in the states opinion of who are the real drunks either as they force the states to lower the BAC limit.

In any case you can see the real drunks in watching the roadside tests film on police dash cams and shown on TV all the time.

The drivers who if not stop are likely to kill themselves and others by their lack of driving abilities.

No .08 BAC drivers among them.

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@BillRM,

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@firefly,

No nothing will wiped out the fact that the degree of impairment at .08 is slight and compare to other actions and behaviors we all do from time to time behind the wheel.

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@BillRM,

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No nothing will wiped out the fact that the degree of impairment at .08 is slight and compare to other actions and behaviors we all do from time to time behind the wheel.

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@firefly,

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if we are talking about real drunks I would agree with you but as we are not so when talking about anyone near a BAC of .08

firefly wrote:

Well, someone with a BAC level of .08, probably isn't a "real drunk" by your drinking standards

YOU'VE ALREADY DEMONSTRASTED YOUR IGNORANCE OF ALCOHOL"S SIGNIFICANTLY IMPAIRING EFFECTS, ON DRIVING SKILLS AND ABILITIES, AT A BAC=.08.

AS WELL AS YOUR IGNORANCE OF THE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED RISK OF CRASHES, AND FATALITIES AT A BAC=.08.

SO, WHO'S INTERESTED IN YOUR IDEA OF A "REAL DRUNK"?

Cute cartoon but could you not find a new one everyone in a blue moon?

firefly wrote:

That's not a cartoon, and that photo should be your new avatar.

I think that its sad
that we choose to be so impolite to one another, even sadistic ( ? ) in our prose.

(I do not claim to have been entirely innocent, in this regard, either.)

David

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@BillRM,

Ok for everyone who went without sleep and drove you are the same as a drunk driver by Firefly support of low level BAC logic.

http://oem.bmj.com/content/57/10/649.full

Moderate sleep deprivation produces impairments in cognitive and motor performance equivalent to legally prescribed levels of alcohol intoxication
A M Williamsona, Anne-Marie Feyerb
+ Author Affiliations

aSchool of Psychology, University of New South Wales, Sydney, Australia, bNew Zealand Occupational and Environmental Health Research Centre, Department of Preventive and Social Medicine, University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand
Dr A M [email protected]
Accepted 15 June 2000
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Abstract
OBJECTIVES To compare the relative effects on performance of sleep deprivation and alcohol.

METHODS Performance effects were studied in the same subjects over a period of 28 hours of sleep deprivation and after measured doses of alcohol up to about 0.1% blood alcohol concentration (BAC). There were 39 subjects, 30 employees from the transport industry and nine from the army.

RESULTS After 17–19 hours without sleep, corresponding to 2230 and 0100, performance on some tests was equivalent or worse than that at a BAC of 0.05%. Response speeds were up to 50% slower for some tests and accuracy measures were significantly poorer than at this level of alcohol. After longer periods without sleep, performance reached levels equivalent to the maximum alcohol dose given to subjects (BAC of 0.1%).

CONCLUSIONS These findings reinforce the evidence that the fatigue of sleep deprivation is an important factor likely to compromise performance of speed and accuracy of the kind needed for safety on the road and in other industrial settings.

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@OmSigDAVID,

David given that this lady had charge me with being a child porn collector and a pedophile on other threads for daring to state that the current federal laws punishment for such crimes are far to harsh she is being nice on this thread at least for her.

Or for that matter she had charge me as being a sexual predator this time involving adult women who are drunk over my disagreement over what should or should not be consider rape under the laws.

On this thread she only stated that I am or wish to be a drunk driver because of my stand here concerning the correct setting of the BAC limit.

So on this thread she is being mild at least for her.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Too bad we can't make him try that pose... then he might be able to see how big of an asshole he really is.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

David given that this lady had charge me with being a child porn collector and a pedophile on other threads for daring to state that the current federal laws punishment for such crimes are far to harsh she is being nice on this thread at least for her.

Maybe it was that your initial response to hearing about abused children wasn't to express concern for those children but to boast about your computer security that gave that impression. Perhaps it was when you spoke about taking kittens into the park so you could attract children that reinforced that impression.

BillRM wrote:

Or for that matter she had charge me as being a sexual predator this time involving adult women who are drunk over my disagreement over what should or should not be consider rape under the laws.

You're the one who has a problem with the law not FF. 'Rape is rape.'

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@BillRM,

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Ok for everyone who went without sleep and drove you are the same as a drunk driver by Firefly support of low level BAC logic.

You're the one who posted the study comparing lack of sleep to the effects of alcohol, not me.

And, more importantly, you just don't know how to interpret the data you read and post.

That study found that sleep deprivation affects, and impairs, performance, on tests of response time and accuracy, as much as, or more than a BAC level .05--.10.

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CONCLUSIONS These findings reinforce the evidence that the fatigue of sleep deprivation is an important factor likely to compromise performance of speed and accuracy of the kind needed for safety on the road

That result has nothing to do with trying to minimize the effects of driving in an alcohol impaired state--which is what you are trying to do. The study supports the idea that people should not drive when extremely tired or sleep deprived, because that is just as bad, in terms of negatively affecting response time and accuracy, as being impaired by alcohol.

At a BAC level of .08, all drivers show evidence of significant impairments of driving skills and abilities, compared to those who have ingested no alcohol. And the effects of being impaired by alcohol--BAC .08+--influence many Central Nervous System functions, and cognitive and motor functions, beside just response time and accuracy, which were all this study meaured.

The point is, people should not drive either when impaired by alcohol--BAC=.08+--or when extremely fatigued or sleep deprived.

Responsible people drive responsibly--and they do not drive when impaired by alcohol, sleep deprivation, extreme emotional upset, severe physical illness, etc.
Just because only drunk driving is illegal doesn't absolve people of the personal responsibility to avoid driving when impaired by any other factors. That's what individual responsibility is all about.

And you've already told us that you're not a responsible driver--you've told us how you've driven when extremely fatigued and sleep deprived, when extremely emotionally upset, when feeling very physically ill, etc.. You don't need to continue to impress us with more evidence that you are not a responsible driver, and that you don't think like a responsible driver. You've already made a solid case in that department.

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low level BAC

A low BAC level is .01--not .08, you dimwit.

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@firefly,

Sorry dear the point is that the impairment is so mild at ,08 that a whole set of other factors cause equal or even greater impairment that are common and everyday factors when being behind the wheel.

If ,08 level of impairment is not acceptable and call for heavy fines, perhaps some jail time and lost of driver license for 6 months then similar actions by simple logic would call for the same level of punishment.

Talking on a cell phone, driving while tired, or for a millions and one others reasons that cause a similar lost in driving abilities.

However people do drive in a safe manner under all those conditions and so do people under .08 level of BAC.

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@BillRM,

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@Tate12,

Tate12 wrote:

I find it peculiar that all of a sudden Thom was in Michael car. Perhaps the individual that is making the statement is inaccurate. Strong sources has it documented that it was Thom vehicle that hit Barry. Also if you do your research Thom was with another. So who's to say the current information is correct?

Busted Tater Razz

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@Adam4Adam,

Do you know for sure that’s Tater? If so be nice, he’s not a bad guy.

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@Adam4Adam,

The truth is like justice... It's blind... It's plain and simple Thom was not in the car with Michael K. Perhaps Michael J. and to simple take him home after the night of drinking. It baffles me... We as gay community should lift each other up and instead of demonizing a human being for a making a mistake. I can only imagine that all of you that constantly write on this post has tried to reach out to Thom as a friend. We all have made mistakes in our lives that we have regretted, but we have learned from our mistakes. Each of you that write on this post with negative comments and untruth facts almost sound like the Republicans nominees (full of ****). We shouldn't be kicking Thom when he is down and if you thank about it the man is already serving his punishment with the guilt. If any of you all are smart, you guys would learn from his tragic mistake and teach others of the misgivings that happen to Thom. If you want to throw the man under the bus and go by hear say, just get your damn facts together first.

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@Tate12,

Tate12 wrote:

The truth is like justice... It's blind... It's plain and simple Thom was not in the car with Michael K. Perhaps Michael J. and to simple take him home after the night of drinking. It baffles me... We as gay community should lift each other up and instead of demonizing a human being for a making a mistake. I can only imagine that all of you that constantly write on this post has tried to reach out to Thom as a friend. We all have made mistakes in our lives that we have regretted, but we have learned from our mistakes. Each of you that write on this post with negative comments and untruth facts almost sound like the Republicans nominees (full of ****). We shouldn't be kicking Thom when he is down and if you thank about it the man is already serving his punishment with the guilt. If any of you all are smart, you guys would learn from his tragic mistake and teach others of the misgivings that happen to Thom. If you want to throw the man under the bus and go by hear say, just get your damn facts together first.

If I were on Tom 's jury, I 'd vote to acquit him
and let him go free. I 'll also vote Republican in November.

David

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