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I just don’t understand drinking and driving

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 10:35 am
@ehBeth,
You do realize that I am on the 60 hour a week plan at my business right? I don't have that kind of time anymore.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 10:50 am
@ehBeth,
he's much too busy to worry about being correct or well informed, beth.

we should just take what he spews as gospel for the sake of his zen-socialist collective...
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 11:01 am
@Rockhead,
Why would I go searching for hidden info when I can go right to the source and ask Bill? Successful people like me learn how to work efficiently.

We also learn to prioritize, and right now my baby needs me.

Later tatter......
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 11:23 am
@hawkeye10,
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Why would I go searching for hidden info when I can go right to the source and ask Bill?

While you're at it, ask BillRM how much he has to drink before he feels too "blitzed" or impaired to drive--he's refused to reveal that, although it's very relevant to the frame of reference he's using to judge intoxication.

Apparently BillRM must drink a lot more than 5 shots of booze, or an entire bottle of wine, or 5 beers, within a 2 hour period, to feel too impaired to drive, because he's said those amounts, which would get him to a .08 BAC level, aren't enough to do it. That's why he feels a BAC level of .08 is "ridiclously low"--it's low given his booze consumption, and how much he has to drink before he feels he's impaired. Drunk

Figure it out for yourself.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 11:50 am
@firefly,
Well dear Firefly I go months without taking a drink and on the very rare times I am the driver and feel like taking a drink I limit myself to one drink however in my younger days I would go out and had two mixed drinks in a short time frame and then nurse the third drink for hours.

I never feel that I was too impair to drive a car at the end of the night but as far as a BAC I can not give you a number as I did not have a BAC meter with me and in those long ago years such devices could not be purchase fairly cheaply.

At a guess given the time factor and a weight in the 200 pound range I would guess a BAC of .03 to .04 by the time I got behind the wheel of a car to drive home.

Now is it a wise thing to do to drive at a BAC of .08 no not anymore then to drive when highly highly emotionally upset or very tired however it does not call for the harsh punishments that we now deal with it hell no and if you feel otherwise then being found driving after missing a night sleep or after a break up or when using a cell phone should call for the same degree of punishment as all such degrade a person driving skill to roughly the same degree.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 11:54 am
@firefly,
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Stop with the gratuitous insults


LOL this is from the 'lady' who is the Mistress of the personal and gratuitous insults and yes you are as dishonest as dishonest can be on this website.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 12:02 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Fair is fair....if we are going to get so anal about relatively slight BAC imparement then we certainly should put old people on a simulator before renewing them
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Do not forget it is not just old people as reactions times between people at any given age various one hell of a lot.

More then likely far more then the reaction time decrease cause by a .08 BAC.

One study claimed that a .08 BAC increase the risk for an experience driver having an accident to that of a fairly new driver risk level at BAC of .00.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 12:08 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Has it been established that Bill is a drunk? I know that Firefly says so but she can never be trusted to present fact and I think I remember Bill denying the charge.



Given that I go months sometimes without a drink I am some drunk indeed!!!!!!!!!!

I do tend to drink in a fairly heavy manner the two times or so a year my wife and I go to Cancun on an all you can drink and all you can eat plan.

When ask by a medical person if I drink I tease sometime by answering only in Cancun.

I also gain weight that it take months to removed on returning to the states.

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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 12:13 pm
@firefly,
I suspect the problem is that Bill doesn't want to accept any BAC level as a limit.

It's too personally inconvenient, and therefore an intolerable infringement on his rights.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 12:37 pm
@DrewDad,
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suspect the problem is that Bill doesn't want to accept any BAC level as a limit.

It's too personally inconvenient, and therefore an intolerable infringement on his rights.


Given that if been decades since I had driven with a BAC level any higher then one mixed drink can give a 200 hundred pound man you are full of ****.

Second note even in my younger and wilder days I never came near to a .08 level when driving see my earlier posting on the subject in this thread concerning my younger day driving and drinking pattern.

But then you seem to be a member of a group who think that anyone who disagree with a law must be a law breaker including most federal judges who disagree with the sentencing guidelines for CP for example and the founder of MADD who also seems to share my opinion on the drive to punish low level BAC drivers instead of focusing on high level BAC drivers.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 01:15 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Given that if been decades since I had driven with a BAC level any higher then one mixed drink can give a 200 hundred pound man you are full of ****.


It sounds like you're full of gin.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 01:44 pm
@BillRM,
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Given that I go months sometimes without a drink I am some drunk indeed!!!!!!!!!!

So, you try to maintain sobriety for a short time, and then you fall off the wagon. That's a quite common pattern.

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to punish low level BAC drivers instead of focusing on high level BAC drivers.

The point is to stop all people from driving with a BAC level .08 +.

Why do you keep idiotically insisting that .08 is a low BAC? It's the highest permissible legal limit in the world, and higher than the legal limit in most of Europe, including Italy, France, and Germany.
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The general standard in Europe is 0.5 mg per ml, but there are wide variances from country to country.

The Blood Alcohol Levels

0.2 mg per ml– Estonia, Malta, Romania, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Hungary
0.3 mg per ml - Serbia. For a new drivers (with drivers licence for beginers), profesional drivers, motorcycle drivers, there is zero tolerance
0.2 mg per ml– Norway, Poland, Sweden
0.4 mg per ml- Lithuania
0.5 mg per ml- Belgium, Bulgaria, Denmark, Germany (Germany is 0.3 if you’re in an accident), Finland, France, Greece, Italy, Serbia/Montenegro, Croatia, Latvia, Macedonia, Netherlands, Austria, Portugal, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, Cyprus (North), Switzerland
0.8 mg per ml– UK, Ireland, Luxembourg, Malta,
0.2 mg per ml Cyprus (South)
http://www.safetravel.co.uk/europedrinkdrivinglimits.html


Significant driver impairment has been demonstrated at BAC .08+.

So explain why you keep referring to .08 BAC as a "low level"?

Can't you deal with the reality that drivers are impaired by alcohol, and by a BAC of .08, that impairment becomes significant enough to double the probability of being involved in an accident?





MMarciano
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 02:06 pm
@hawkeye10,
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You do realize that I am on the 60 hour a week plan at my business right? I don't have that kind of time anymore.


Yes, we do realize that, and the most thankful of the bunch I would imagine would be your wife.

BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 02:20 pm
@firefly,
My my the whole world no as we have the Cayman islands holding out at .1 but it is still amazing how such silliness/insanity can spread over the world when no one is looking.

Russia who had more heavy drinkers then the rest of the world combine is at .05!!!!!!!!

How in the hell did they sell that law in Russia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Truly amazing with zero repeat zero in a large numbers of countries so do not used mouth wash before driving in those countries.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 02:23 pm
@firefly,
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So, you try to maintain sobriety for a short time, and then you fall off the wagon. That's a quite common pattern.


Two times a year or so I do fall off the old wagon in Cancun but in the US I never am over .02 to .03 or so at anytime and over 95 percents of the time at zero BAC.

An if the hotels in Cancun ever stop offering all you can drink and all you can eat deals my drinking in Cancun would follow the same pattern as in the US.

It you think that is a pattern of an alcoholic you are more nuts then I had always assume you are..................
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 02:32 pm
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Knicks point guard Jason Kidd busted for DWI in Southampton after crashing into utility pole

Kidd, the former Nets star and future Hall of Famer, who signed a three-year, $9.5 million deal with the Knicks Thursday, had been pounding vodka at an exclusive club before the accident, witnesses say.

By Carson Griffith , Jennifer H. Cunningham , Barry Paddock AND Bill Hutchinson
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
July 13, 2012

He should have stuck to driving to the hoop.

Newly-signed Knick Jason Kidd was busted for drunken driving early Sunday after crashing his luxury SUV into a utility pole, capping a night of pounding vodka while partying in the Hamptons.

And the 39-year-old hoops star was feeling no pain after the crash, police documents say.

“Defendant did not know what had happened in accident,” a Southampton cop wrote of the future Hall of Famer in an arrest report.

Police were on the scene within five minutes, where they found him seated in the vehicle. Two officers helped him to get out, partially due to concerns about the live wires that were dangling from the pole.

The front of the SUV was demolished, but Kidd was not seriously injuring in the crash that snapped a utility pole off at the base, according to the accident report.

Kidd blew past a stop sign in ritzy Water Mill, L.I., about a mile and a half from his $6 million summer home at 1:56 a.m. Sunday and skidded 25 feet into the woods, hitting several trees.

When cops showed up, he reeked of alcohol, was unsteady on his feet and had bloodshot and watery eyes, according to his arrest report.

His knucklehead antics knocked out cable service to customers of his new boss — Cablevision and Knicks honcho James Dolan.

Kidd refused a Breathalyzer test, police documents show, and later refused chemical tests at Southampton Hospital, where he was treated for minor injuries before being arraigned and released later Sunday.

“I saw him lying down, completely out of it,” said Gautam Ahuja, 34, who watched police shining a flashlight on Kidd. “I think he was just so wasted.”

Ahuja’s friend said she saw Kidd leaning against the broken pole.

“He was sprawled out,” the friend said. “He was sitting on the ground with his feet stretched out in front of him.”

Witnesses said the boozed-up baller sat there for about 45 minutes before cops arrived. The crash came just four days after Kidd signed a three-year, $9.5 million deal to bring his veteran leadership and point guard prowess to the Knicks.

“Jason has pleaded not guilty to a DWI charge and awaits further court proceedings,” said Kidd’s lawyer, Ed Burke Jr.

A photograph published by TMZ showed Kidd about an hour before the crash bent over and being held up by another man as he left the East Hampton nightclub. The website reported that Kidd left the club after breaking a light fixture he tried to hang from.

“He was in no condition to drive,” a source connected to the club told the Daily News. “He was not carried out, but he was definitely holding on to some friends.”


The future Hall of Famer’s wild night began Saturday evening at a benefit for R&B singer Ne-Yo’s Compound Foundation, a nonprofit founded to empower and inspire kids in foster care and group homes.

Kidd attended the “Fostering A Legacy” benefit with his wife, former fashion model Porschla Coleman, at the private East Hampton estate of William Nuti, CEO of NCR and chairman of Sprint.

The 10-time NBA All-Star tweeted a picture from the party of him rubbing shoulders with filmmaker George Lucas, who was honored at the charity event. Other attendees included Arsenio Hall, new Brooklyn Nets guard Joe Johnson, Paula Abdul, and Kidd’s wife’s ex-boyfriend, Russell Simmons.

Guests were treated to Malibu Red rum cocktails throughout the evening.

From there, Kidd and Coleman headed to nearby SL East, a spin-off nightclub of the popular SL club in the Meatpacking District.

Coleman left the club — known for pricey bottle service and topless dancing patrons on weekends — without Kidd, who sources said was dancing and downing vodka.

While at the club, Kidd paid several visits to DJ M.O.S in the deejay booth. At one point, DJ M.O.S. gave Kidd a shout-out, telling patrons J-Kidd “was in the house.”

A source insisted that Kidd’s handler was driving the Escalade when they left the club. But cops said Kidd was alone in the SUV when he crashed.

Lights flickered in nearby homes when Kidd demolished the pole, and neighbors lost cable and Internet service for about 12 hours.

“He did a lot of damage,” said a Cablevision worker dispatched to the neighborhood.

Ricky Soares, 55, who lives nearby said he was throwing a party when the accident happened.

“That’s when the lights went out for a second and then came back on ... the TV was out. The Cablevision was out,” Soares said.

“It was a nuisance,” added neighbor Bob Lax, 76. “Cable, telephone and everything else went out. I went to use to the phone; it was dead.”

Donna Engelson, a grandmother, scolded Kidd, a father of six, for being irresponsible.

“Just because he’s Jason Kidd doesn’t mean he can drive drunk and cause a lot of property damage that we may have to pay for,” Engelson said. “He inconvenienced a lot of people.”...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jason-kidd-ny-knicks-point-guard-arrested-dwi-southampton-report-article-1.1114897#ixzz20uc1ZLr0


Did his friends do him a favor by allowing him to get behind the wheel? Was there anything they, or anyone else, could have, or should have, done to prevent his driving?

This irresponsible idiot could just have easily slammed into another car and killed someone else.

And the accident happened in an area where, two weeks ago, a police check point led to the arrest of 22 people for DUI in a single night.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 02:34 pm
@MMarciano,
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Yes, we do realize that, and the most thankful of the bunch I would imagine would be your wife.

You mean his Toy Girl? Laughing
MMarciano
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 02:34 pm
@firefly,
lol yep, I'll bet she's a butch one too! Wink
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 02:37 pm
@BillRM,
In fact for my health I need to reconsider taking those deals as must fun as it happen to be for my wife and I not due to the alcohol but due to the weight gains.

My doctor just read me the riot act today over a 20 pounds gain in four months that I will need to work like a dog to removed.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 02:40 pm
@firefly,
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Knicks point guard Jason Kidd busted for DWI in Southampton after crashing into utility pole


Bet the gentleman was at least 1.6 or higher not the .08 that the check points are gear to find.

I am still waiting for you to find a similar news story of a driver anywhere near .08 taking out a telephone pole or some such.
 

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