Why are paradoxes considered profound?

...they highlight the inadequacy of our present comprehension...if that is not profound I don´t know what else can be profound...

Perhaps the profoundness of paradoxes is merely an expression of philosophical hubris?

I say this humbly and insecurely, but I suspect that most references to paradox--at least those that interest me--point to the profound inadequacy of language and logic for the direct understanding of human experience.

agreed
but above this all , is the ability to Reason

...maybe you just mean to address the models of Logic developed so far, which I grant still are incomplete but Logic itself really ? You use it for any activity in your life starting with your heart beat and ending with the writings you do in this forum and the way we bring words together in sentences...it is an almost childish over simplification to attack Logic directly and not the model instead J !

I agree JL. I just think that feeling profound for that reason comes from a kind of arrogance that makes us believe so strongly in the merits of our tools. But perhaps saying that displays another kind of arrogance.

Being "reasonable" is a social virtue; being "logical" is something more limited and in these threads a form of aggression less than virtuous.

...every dumb person on this world certainly agrees with you here...
...logic is aggressive with dumb statements and bullshit pocket talk !
I would love to see what some of you guys would state under hypnosis regarding self imagery...that would make my day !

Are they? I never considered them all that profound. Clever, yes. Amusing, certainly. But profound?

A very honest way to voice your agreement, fil. Good for you.



After your excessive demonstrations of that fact, I believe you. Lead by example, isn't that what they say?



Yet another statement of yours that reveals just how far superior to anyone else you consider yourself to be. A very attractive attitude, I must say.

That about hits the nail on the head.

Thanks, you illustrate my point.

Ha! Yeah.

Can anyone work towards a definition of logic?

Well I consider "agression" within parameters educative if not ill intended...

I think a definition of "logic" is a bit tricky.
Initially, it might seem that it is no more than a process of "correct reasoning". But to determine what is correct reasoning, we have to trust our motives, and we need to have a clear idea of our objective.
In most situations logic is applied on multiple levels simultaneously, both with choosing which aspects of a subject should be considered and with the actual consideration of those subjects. Therefore, there is bound to be a degree of intuition and subjective preference to the process of logical thinking.

Or, to say it in another way, how you approach a problem can decide how logic will be applied. Even deciding how to approach is often a matter of logic. But to apply logic we need to make choices, which also can be a matter of logic. But in most real life situations a purely logical approach isn't necessarily the best or logical choice.

Considering this, I am inclined to say that logic is a process of evaluating and acting on the information you have, making the choices that will ensure an outcome that is as close to your initial objective as you can manage. I would say that it is not a purely intellectual process. Not unless the subject logic is applied to is purely intellectual.

Wow! Congratulations on your courage. I would never attempt that.

The most I could say is that logical behavior is acknowleding rules designed to avoid contra-diction and non-sequiturs OR making statements accordng to rules that avoid my not looking stupid.
But I do NOT think that reasonable behavior is simply "following" the rules of logic (i.e., cookie-cutter thinking) as much as it is action that INCLUDES not violating the axioms of logic.
Oh, and the murkiest aspect of this subject matter is that logic is not unrelated to culture. Radically different cultures contain different axioms and "rules". But that is something we once approached with not much success.

...the cultural aspect of logic is that it can be described as memory of dynamics, of relations, and in them the presence of Law, Dialectics...but then we have the memory of our ancestors in our blood telling our memory what to record...