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Renewal of a Mind/Brain discussion

 
 
Damcha
 
Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2011 10:01 pm
To resuscitate an earlier post:

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Can the processes of thinking and reasoning be explained by purely physical phenomena?


The short answer is "no" because both "explanation" and "physical phenomena" appear to be products of what we call "the mind".

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Bruce Lipton has shown that the 'brain' in the physical sense radiates electromagnetic frequencies into the atmosphere, and these electromagnetic waves change states relative to the individual's 'cognitive state', being the amalgamation of all brain-processes taking place. This observation could be the incipient stage of a veritable suture point for the mind/brain issue.
Maybe the mind is more a property of the environment surrounding the brain and not the brain itself.
Consider a chicken or the egg question, the mind first conceived of the 'brain' in the physical sense. Egyptians believed 'thoughts' took place in the heart.
Or another suggestion, if our 'minds' hadn't conceived of the concept of 'memory', would the hippocampus still play the role it does in biological psychology?
Or the fact that the 'mind' refers to itself as an object, from a meta, almost 'omniscient' standpoint.
'I' know what 'I' want.
'Cognito Ergo Sum'.....'Know Thyself'.
We think of ourselves as an 'I' when we reflect on memories, and imagining ourselves as an 'I' is a gregarious must for socialization, and in human systems, survivability.
It seems the concept of 'mind' is an a-priori dilemma to the conscious mind.
How can we, as a social entity, qualify something that qualified us as a social identity in the first place, not to mention biological details of where the mind resides?

Correct me if I'm wrong... this is all speculation
Oh, another point.
If neurons are in the brain, and the brain is the seat of the mind, are neurons not also in the spine? In the nervous system? In the senses? Throughout the body? The mind may be the entirety of physiological processes that take place in our organic vessels.
And is our organic vessel (waxing eloquent here... I mean our body) not a microcosmic map of the immediate activities along its boundary?

Damcha

Here is the Bruce Lipton article for those interested:

http://www.pillaroflight.net/Bruce%20Lipton.pdf
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north
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2011 10:17 pm
@Damcha,
Damcha wrote:

To resuscitate an earlier post:

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Can the processes of thinking and reasoning be explained by purely physical phenomena?


The short answer is "no" because both "explanation" and "physical phenomena" appear to be products of what we call "the mind".

----------------------

Bruce Lipton has shown that the 'brain' in the physical sense radiates electromagnetic frequencies into the atmosphere, and these electromagnetic waves change states relative to the individual's 'cognitive state', being the amalgamation of all brain-processes taking place. This observation could be the incipient stage of a veritable suture point for the mind/brain issue.
Maybe the mind is more a property of the environment surrounding the brain and not the brain itself.
Consider a chicken or the egg question, the mind first conceived of the 'brain' in the physical sense. Egyptians believed 'thoughts' took place in the heart.
Or another suggestion, if our 'minds' hadn't conceived of the concept of 'memory', would the hippocampus still play the role it does in biological psychology?
Or the fact that the 'mind' refers to itself as an object, from a meta, almost 'omniscient' standpoint.
'I' know what 'I' want.
'Cognito Ergo Sum'.....'Know Thyself'.
We think of ourselves as an 'I' when we reflect on memories, and imagining ourselves as an 'I' is a gregarious must for socialization, and in human systems, survivability.
It seems the concept of 'mind' is an a-priori dilemma to the conscious mind.
How can we, as a social entity, qualify something that qualified us as a social identity in the first place, not to mention biological details of where the mind resides?

Correct me if I'm wrong... this is all speculation
Oh, another point.
If neurons are in the brain, and the brain is the seat of the mind, are neurons not also in the spine? In the nervous system? In the senses? Throughout the body? The mind may be the entirety of physiological processes that take place in our organic vessels.
And is our organic vessel (waxing eloquent here... I mean our body) not a microcosmic map of the immediate activities along its boundary?

Damcha

Here is the Bruce Lipton article for those interested:

http://www.pillaroflight.net/Bruce%20Lipton.pdf



without the brain , where would thinking take place , otherwise ?
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G H
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2011 01:52 am
@Damcha,
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Maybe the mind is more a property of the environment surrounding the brain and not the brain itself.

Honderich's "consciousness as existence"? I frankly can't fathom where the externalism movement is even coming from the half the time, especially or probably due to when an advocate of some brand of it starts proclaiming how it is compatible with neurobiology, physical science, naturalism / physicalism, etc. Maybe compatible with such back in Helmholtz's or Mach's era, or when radical empiricists or Kantian hybrids ruled the Earth or something, but it hardly seems so today. North's response backs-up that the contemporary situation is not one's "great-great-grandmothers' naturalism", when even idealism, ontological phenomenalism, etc., were allowed to be rival possibilities to fill the placeholder of its "one-realm" or unspecified monism status.
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fresco
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2011 01:53 am
@Damcha,
You need to consider the general question: what constitutes a satisfactory explanation ? Clearly physical, biological, and physiological processes are insufficient to qualify for that, which opens the gates to all forms of speculation ranging from "quantum consciousness" (Hameroff) to holistic consciousness (as in the Borg on Star Trek !). Before citing any particular author on this subject, I generally suggest that we should all be aware of this collection.
http://consc.net/online
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