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God is not religion/Religion is not God

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 08:16 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Sorry Dave I should have addressed that to Fresco, you were just quoting him.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 08:18 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Well you shouldn't have been on the job then you dirty sod.
?????? I did a creditable job; no mistakes.
The out-of-body experiences were very brief. I liked them; felt good.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 08:20 am

I wrote my last post b4 I read your Post: # 4,787,504.





David
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voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 09:50 am
@fresco,
fresco wrote:

David, ad hoc twaddle like
Quote:
God's creation of man as a living soul took place during the iron age.

....is hardly worthy of a "courteous response".

There is a potential debate here concerning the separation of the concept of "religion" from that of "God", but the entry ticket for such a debate cannot be found in a cut-price box of mental candy.



Genesis 4:22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.

Tubalcain was seven generations from Adam and he was an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron. Wouldn't this be during the iron age? my point was the earth was already populated with humans when Adam was created
voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 10:46 am
@wayne,
wayne wrote:

I don't wish to be impolite, however, I don't see, by your story, when the water entered your lungs to constitute drowning, nor is there any reference to water being removed and respiration being restored.

I didn't take on any water in my lungs. I was fully conscious, but I didn't feel the presence of my physical body at all. I didn't feel my lungs needing to breath I wasn't face down, I was straight up and down, with a smile on my face, turning my head back and forth trying to look around in the darkness.
Reality as we experience it is just an illusion in our mind, a dream, you are in my dream, I am in your dream. When you leave the physical reality and your physical body dies, you continue to dwell in a dream reality that is just as real as the physical reality, but you are not bound by the constraints of your physical mind. You don't even have the realization that you died.

fresco
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 11:30 am
@izzythepush,
Sorry, that should have been Sam Harris.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 11:31 am
@voiceindarkness,
wayne wrote:
I don't wish to be impolite, however, I don't see, by your story, when the water entered your lungs to constitute drowning,
nor is there any reference to water being removed and respiration being restored.
voiceindarkness wrote:
I didn't take on any water in my lungs. I was fully conscious, but I didn't feel the presence of my physical body at all. I didn't feel my lungs needing to breath I wasn't face down, I was straight up and down, with a smile on my face, turning my head back and forth trying to look around in the darkness.
Reality as we experience it is just an illusion in our mind, a dream, you are in my dream, I am in your dream. When you leave the physical reality and your physical body dies, you continue to dwell in a dream reality that is just as real as the physical reality, but you are not bound by the constraints of your physical mind. You don't even have the realization that you died.
To a large extent, tho not 1OO%, our respective experiences co-incided qua shared consciouness,
i.e., consciousness simultaneously both out of the human body and inside it.
All of my out-of-body experiences were shared consciousness experiences.
I have already mentioned my actively working (questioning witnesses)
in court, while out of my human body, observing the process
from a distance of c.3O feet away.

Another one (very brief) that I had was in a fast food restaurant for lunch.
I sat in a Friendly Ice Cream restaurant near my business office
with a hamburger in my hands, ready to take the first bite,
when I found myself out in the parking lot looking at myself
thru the window. I saw myself holding the hamburger in front
of my face. My thought was: "if I am out here, then how come
I can still see this hamberger only a few inches in front of me? ";
i.e., I was perplexed at seeing it both a few inches away
and about 3O feet away, at a right angle. Then it was over.

Qua what u wrote about dreaming,
I remember hearing of a Chinese saying that a Chinaman
fell asleep and dreamed that he was a butterfly.
Upon awakening, he wondered whether he was
a Chinaman dreaming of being a butterfly
or a butterfly dreaming that he was a Chinaman.

Quoth Edgar Allen Poe:
"is all that we see and seem, but a dream within a dream?"

It appears to be the case (I invite comment on this point)
that consciousness is deemed related to observed experience
in Quantum Mechanics; i.e., that reality is altered by observation thereof.

There is also another question:
does the Law of the Conservation of Energy apply to conscious life??
If it does, then that indicates that our lives long ante-dated the Iron Age,
or even the formation of the Earth.

Have u studied the body of literature concerning "Near Death" Experiences? www.IANDS.org





David
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 11:36 am
@fresco,
It's easily done.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 11:44 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
It's easily done.
Having an out-of-body experience ?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 11:47 am
@OmSigDAVID,
No, getting someone's name wrong Derek. I've never had an out of body experience, nearest I've come to it, was when I had a dodgy vindaloo, that was an out of botty experience.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 11:53 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
No, getting someone's name wrong Derek.
No, u got my name rong; its David.

izzythepush wrote:
I've never had an out of body experience, nearest I've come to it, was when I had a dodgy vindaloo,
What is "dodgy"??
What is a "vindaloo" ?


fresco
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 11:57 am
@voiceindarkness,
Quote:
Genesis 4:22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.

Tubalcain was seven generations from Adam and he was an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron. Wouldn't this be during the iron age? my point was the earth was already populated with humans when Adam was created


Ah ... Now I get it !
(I'm just going for a lie-down. I'm having trouble coping with the fact that Lamech (Genesis 4.23) was a murderer. Sad )
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 12:00 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
dodgy-iffy
vindaloo, a fiery curry
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 12:20 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
dodgy-iffy
vindaloo, a fiery curry
"Iffy" means uncertain ?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 01:01 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
dubious
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 01:14 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2011 03:09 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

dodgy-iffy
vindaloo, a fiery curry
I had curry 1ce.
That will not happen again.
I surmize that the people in your video liked it.
Thay kept saying that word a lot.

I failed to discern any stiff upper lips. Rn't thay supposed to keep them ?





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2011 04:52 am
@OmSigDAVID,
It's the triumph of hope over experience, England haven't won thw world cup since 1966, and there's not much chance of us winning another one for a long time. That doesn't stop us getting excited though.

I'm sorry you've only had one bad curry. Curry is an eponym, named after a British colonel, and as such is quite dismissive of a whole cuisine. A good curry is incredible, but a bad one is truly awful. Curry is now the most popular take away in the UK, having recently overtaken fish and chips.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2011 11:24 am
@izzythepush,
I 'm under the impression that the Indians (the ones in India)
use curry for the same reason that the Mexicans r known for chemically hot food, to wit:
to conceal the rotting of meat, in the absence of refrigeration.

( Maybe their immunity systems became attuned to defeating those toxins.)





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2011 12:36 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
My father used to say that, as he lashed hot mustard on his ham. It's more of an imperialist attitude than anything else. If your ingredients are rotten it will be foul, no matter how spicy you make it. They add spices to fresh ingredients to make it taste delicious.
 

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