Why do you suppose Jesus never condemned slavery?

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Did not bother to view the video...but anyone who thinks "an agnostic is just an atheist who doesn't know it"...doesn't know what he/she is talking about.

Frank being that you have a good understanding of the Etymology of the word atheist, "do you think that this understanding is how the word was used in its origin by theists in the past and by the majority theists today?

You seem to be obsesses with the narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities and disregard the broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

Atheism was first used to describe a self-avowed belief in late 18th-century Europe, specifically denoting disbelief in the monotheistic Abrahamic god.[122][123] In the 20th century, globalization contributed to the expansion of the term to refer to disbelief in all deities, though it remains common in Western society to describe atheism as simply "disbelief in God".[39]

If you or your source wants to think that atheism was first used in the late 18th century...you are free to do so. Some people think the age of the planet is less than 10,000 years.

Although the term "atheism" originated in the sixteenth century – based on Ancient Greek ἄθεος "godless, denying the gods, ungodly"[1] – and open admission to positive atheism in modern times was not made earlier than in the late eighteenth century, atheistic ideas, as well as their political influence, have a more expansive history.

"Rumpy-pumpy issues" is so fruity...it even looks bad on you!

Philosopher Massimo Pigliucci writes a post at his blog Rationally Speaking regarding the supernatural, and discusses some specifically Catholic ideas in so doing. Now, Pigliucci is also a naturalist (of the philosophical sort; i.e., one who thinks that only the natural exists, not the kind that collects rocks and beetles), and so he also rejects claims of the supernatural. However, he critiques the arguments that some of his fellow naturalists use against belief in the supernatural, citing Richard Dawkins’ arguments against the Virgin Birth of Christ and transubstantiation as specifically poor examples. Pigliucci notes of the so-called “scientific” objection to the doctrine of transubstantiation that it is an argument that would “move no fervent Catholic, nor should it.” Of course, Pigliucci rejects these doctrines as well, and he offers his own objections, which are far more substantial and repectable than the polemical, popular sort of atheistic arguments. This is the sort of intellectual atheism that is respectable in comparison to the sophomoric variety that seems to dominate on the shelves of the science section of the bookstore.

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If you or your source wants to think that atheism was first used in the late 18th century...you are free to do so. Some people think the age of the planet is less than 10,000 years.

When I read the 18th century I wondered as well.
Do you have evidence suggesting otherwise?

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Although the term "atheism" originated in the sixteenth century – based on Ancient Greek ἄθεος "godless, denying the gods, ungodly"[1] – and open admission to positive atheism in modern times was not made earlier than in the late eighteenth century, atheistic ideas, as well as their political influence, have a more expansive history.

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"Rumpy-pumpy issues" is so fruity...it even looks bad on you!

You were found under a gooseberry bush I suppose?

The word atheist has been used since gods first came into being.

It comes to us from the ancient Greek through the French...and means "without god(s)."

Recently, atheists have used the word in a way that causes the editors of dictionaries to define it differently.

. . . . What a hoe meant yesterday to the majority may mean something entirely different a few years from now.

I can only guess from the knowledge that I currently hold that I would have been a disturbance to the status quo "some what like Socrates was during his time.

You do realize that within written history that there were many who shared some of "the Jesus's moral philosophy don't you"?

I think that what may have happened is that the status quo seen this and played on it and invented the Jesus character.

How is this any different than saying that I have the empirical proof to prove all of what spendius states as being false?

OK so its your opinion but you do realize that opinions are not always facts?

Are you suggesting that the bible should not be followed to the tee?

Are you suggesting that all atheist support the teaching of the church as you do?

Yes. Intelligent atheists in the west earning above, say, $50 thou. Who cares what unintelligent people say.

Why Socrates? Why not the average street furniture vandal? There are less crude ways of flattering yourself on our account than that.

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The word atheist has been used since gods first came into being.

Are you certain that you want to make this claim?

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It comes to us from the ancient Greek through the French...and means "without god(s)."

Are you suggesting there were no gods until after there were Greeks?

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Recently, atheists have used the word in a way that causes the editors of dictionaries to define it differently.

Welcome to reality Frank, this is the case with language. I know we are old and setting our ways but language does evolve regardless if we want it to. What a hoe meant yesterday to the majority may mean something entirely different a few years from now.

It is different because you cannot demonstrate that all of what I state is false and this thread is fatuous because its author is unsure whether Jesus existed and is also unsure whether, if He did exist, He failed to condemn slavery of the type that existed in his world. Under such circumstances it is fatuous to ask us the question.

The word atheist has been used since gods first came into being.



Are you certain that you want to make this claim? Drunk Drunk Drunk



The notion of "atheist" has been in existence since ancient Greek times…and there is little reason to suppose it did not predate that period. People were accused of “atheism” (which often was referred to as “impiety” since those days. If my wording bothers you…make the case you want to make and I will deal with it.

The word atheist has been used since gods first came into being.

Because from the time that I was very small I was told that I ask too many questions but I was also told from my grandfather that it is a sign of intelligence.

I have you pegged in the 85--95 IQ range rl.

Did you never question why ladies are required to lock themselves away in a cubicle to have a pee-pee?

The thread is not fatuous other than in the head of someone who has problems with the issue.

Well thank you for the complement because I have been told by others who claimed to have been abducted by aliens that it is much lower.

No but I had a dream that intellectual such as yourself would reveal the answer to me.

Well--I was trying to be polite.