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Why do you suppose Jesus never condemned slavery?

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2013 03:28 pm
@reasoning logic,
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If we behaved like this today would we be considered psychopathic?


Only because the Christian religion became established north and west of where it was seeded.

If you behaved like you do now in a society unchanged from the one you are so knowledgeable about you would be leading man for the next human sacrifice ceremony.

What we consider psychopathic is what we consider psychopathic. No more and no less. And anybody using your username should have known that since he was 5. Your value judgement is a result of your Christian upbringing which is only frayed at the edges regarding those matters which are important to you and which are only important generally in proportion to your own importance.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2013 03:32 pm
@spendius,
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If you behaved like you do now in a society unchanged from the one you are so knowledgeable about you would be leading man for the next human sacrifice ceremony.


Please illustrate this human sacrifice ceremony that you believe that I would engage in.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2013 03:34 pm
@spendius,
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Only because the Christian religion became established north and west of where it was seeded.

If you behaved like you do now in a society unchanged


Isn't this the conservative position? to not progress?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2013 03:41 pm
@spendius,
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spendius wrote:

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First...show me where I said anything of the sort of thing that I enlarged.


I only asked you what use we can find for why we might suppose Jesus never condemned slavery.


Nonsense. You did much more than that...which was the reason I enlarged part of what you did.

Now...respond to what I asked you about the enlarged part of your quote. Or grow the balls to acknowledge that you cannot.

And you can leave your sexual fears, frustrations, and obsessions out of the response. The do not apply to me.

reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2013 03:53 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank I think you are wasting your time with spendius "no mater how much fun it may seem. Smile

I think spendius is not much different than you or I. We seem to be the passengers of the ride our unconscious minds take us on.

You would probably be a valuable asset to the thread "what is free will"

I have learned a lot myself. Smile
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2013 04:32 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Frank I think you are wasting your time with spendius "no mater how much fun it may seem. Smile

I think spendius is not much different than you or I. We seem to be the passengers of the ride our unconscious minds take us on.

You would probably be a valuable asset to the thread "what is free will"

I have learned a lot myself. Smile


I agree completely with the first comment.

I agree half-heartedly with the second.

Not sure about the third because I am not sure of the thread. "Free will" is discussed so often on this forum there are duplicates and triplicates. I've never seen any resolution of the issue...and I seriously doubt it can be resolved by this group. If you can give me a link, I'd love to look at the thread.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2013 04:37 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Oops, just found it by a search.

Lots of reading to do there. I may have posted in it.

My initial thoughts are: Free will can be defined in a way that requires that humans cannot possess it.

It can also be defined in a way that shows every human possesses it.

I would be ASTONISHED to find a general agreement on which it is.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2013 05:03 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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My initial thoughts are: Free will can be defined in a way that requires that humans cannot possess it.

It can also be defined in a way that shows every human possesses it.


Kinda sounds like slavery in the bible.


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I would be ASTONISHED to find a general agreement on which it is.


What would you consider to be general agreement on which it is?

Would it be that of the professors who study it at Yale or Berkly or the many other scientist around the world that say that it does not exist or would it be because of what theologians have to say about it?

What I think may interest you the most is the evidence that you may be able to compile on your own. Wink

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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2013 05:21 pm
@reasoning logic,
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So you do not see it as a psychopath behavior?


No I don't. I would need to be as stupid, arrogant and self-validating as you are in order to think of it in those terms.

Would you have started the Hebrew CLU had you been there?

Jesus did do. He was there. It cost Him His life. The Founding Fathers maintained their position by approving slavery. They didn't just not condemn slavery. They passed laws to return runaway slaves and to punish anybody who spoke out publicly against slavery. And to count them as 3/5ths of whites for population purposes.

It's easy for you now. You have "I'm Mr Nice Guy" to bat for you. All the gains cost you nothing but that doesn't stop you associating yourself with the credit and getting another free ride to our admiration simply by using words.

Not mine of course.

It's a pity Jesus condemned fornication and adultery though and got your backs up as much as he did.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2013 05:41 pm
@spendius,
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So you do not see it as a psychopath behavior?



No I don't. I would need to be as stupid, arrogant and self-validating as you are in order to think of it in those terms.


OK let me reword it in terms that may be closer to your heart.

If you buy a spendius slave, he shall serve for six years; but on the seventh he shall go out as a free man without payment. 3"If spendius comes alone, he shall go out alone; if he is the husband of a wife, then his wife shall go out with him. 4"If spendius's master gives him a wife, and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall belong to her master, and he shall go out alone.

"5"But if the spendius slave plainly says, 'I love my master, my wife and my children; I will not go out as a free man,'…

6then his master shall bring him to God, then he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him permanently.…

7"If a spendius sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do.…

8"If spendius's daughter is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her.…

9"If he designates spendius's daughter for his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters.

If we behaved like this today would we be considered psychopathic?
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 2 Aug, 2013 03:33 am
@reasoning logic,
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OK let me reword it in terms that may be closer to your heart.


Just answer the points I raised. Hysterical ravings are Apisa's domain.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 2 Aug, 2013 06:18 am
@reasoning logic,
Actually rl I think your kindly anxiety about less robust constitutions than your own being led astray by certain passages in the Bible is not fully appreciated by A2Kers and to remedy this unforgivable defect in our natures I nominate you for the 2013 Mother Hen award.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 2 Aug, 2013 07:51 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

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OK let me reword it in terms that may be closer to your heart.


Just answer the points I raised. Hysterical ravings are Apisa's domain.


Actually, Spendius...hysterical ravings seem to be your domain. And you argue in such a fruity way. I bet the guys in the pub laugh at you. Do you ever go there in drag?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 2 Aug, 2013 04:43 pm
@spendius,
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Would you have started the Hebrew CLU had you been there?


I would have asked many questions so that people would question what they thought was true.

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Jesus did do. He was there. It cost Him His life.


Do you have any evidence to this claim?

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The Founding Fathers maintained their position by approving slavery. They didn't just not condemn slavery. They passed laws to return runaway slaves and to punish anybody who spoke out publicly against slavery


Let me guess you find this to be a moral act?

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to count them as 3/5ths of whites for population purposes.


What evidence do you have for this singly being a population purposes?

spendius you seem to be an extremist conservative in your positions, do you think that fathers should still keep the jewels of their daughter's virginity?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 2 Aug, 2013 05:08 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Have you heard what your little brother has been saying about you lately? Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool

It is less than 2 minutes long.

spendius
 
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Reply Fri 2 Aug, 2013 05:27 pm
@reasoning logic,
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I would have asked many questions so that people would question what they thought was true.


Oh yeah!!

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Do you have any evidence to this claim?


Only the written record which I admit might have been tampered with. If it has been tampered with then the thread is fatuous for a more fundamental reason than the ones previously stated.

The thread is fatuous from every point of view I can think of except that a pipsqueak bozo somewhere in the alleys of NJ is seeking to prove that our traditional religion has got it all wrong on the rumpy-pumpy issues and with your full support.

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Let me guess you find this to be a moral act?


I'm a ******* atheist for ****'s sake rl. How many more times do you need telling. Atheists don't do moral acts.

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What evidence do you have for this singly being a population purposes?


I think it was something to do with allocation of federal funds. Whites counted one and slaves counted 3/5ths or possibly 2/3rds.

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spendius you seem to be an extremist conservative in your positions, do you think that fathers should still keep the jewels of their daughter's virginity?


Not really. Most fathers think that in my experience. It's unprincipled I know from an evolutionary point of view but that's how they are.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 2 Aug, 2013 05:43 pm
@spendius,
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I would have asked many questions so that people would question what they thought was true.



Oh yeah!!

I can only guess from the knowledge that I currently hold that I would have been a disturbance to the status quo "some what like Socrates was during his time.

You do realize that within written history that there were many who shared some of "the Jesus's moral philosophy don't you"?

I think that what may have happened is that the status quo seen this and played on it and invented the Jesus character.

Do not get me wrong because I do think that there may have been many who seen what Jesus supposedly seen " meaning they were put to death for teaching ethics.

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The thread is fatuous from every point of view I can think of except that a pipsqueak bozo somewhere in the alleys of NJ is seeking to prove that our traditional religion has got it all wrong on the rumpy-pumpy issues and with your full support.


How is this any different than saying that I have the empirical proof to prove all of what spendius states as being false?

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I think it was something to do with allocation of federal funds. Whites counted one and slaves counted 3/5ths or possibly 2/3rds.


OK so its your opinion but you do realize that opinions are not always facts?

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Not really. Most fathers think that in my experience. It's unprincipled


Are you suggesting that the bible should not be followed to the tee?

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I'm a ******* atheist for ****'s sake rl. How many more times do you need telling. Atheists don't do moral acts.


Are you suggesting that all atheist support the teaching of the church as you do?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 3 Aug, 2013 04:21 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Have you heard what your little brother has been saying about you lately? Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool

It is less than 2 minutes long.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7TWZEg7-gQ&feature=c4-overview&list=UUtlfyd1Xs9CtxfBNP9_IgAw[/youtube]


Did not bother to view the video...but anyone who thinks "an agnostic is just an atheist who doesn't know it"...doesn't know what he/she is talking about.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 3 Aug, 2013 04:23 am
@spendius,
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The thread is fatuous from every point of view I can think of except that a pipsqueak bozo somewhere in the alleys of NJ is seeking to prove that our traditional religion has got it all wrong on the rumpy-pumpy issues and with your full support.


You must be wearing tight bras these days, Spendius. I'm told by others that will make you cranky.

"Rumpy-pumpy issues" is so fruity...it even looks bad on you! Wink
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 3 Aug, 2013 07:17 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Did not bother to view the video...but anyone who thinks "an agnostic is just an atheist who doesn't know it"...doesn't know what he/she is talking about.



Frank being that you have a good understanding of the Etymology of the word atheist, "do you think that this understanding is how the word was used in its origin by theists in the past and by the majority theists today?

You seem to be obsesses with the narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities and disregard the broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

Atheism was first used to describe a self-avowed belief in late 18th-century Europe, specifically denoting disbelief in the monotheistic Abrahamic god.[122][123] In the 20th century, globalization contributed to the expansion of the term to refer to disbelief in all deities, though it remains common in Western society to describe atheism as simply "disbelief in God".[39]
 

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