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Why do you suppose Jesus never condemned slavery?

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 05:17 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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I pity people like you who fear them?


So do I. It must be really nice to think of them as a convenience.

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They must terrify you.


They do indeed. If they don't you then you must know very little about them.

Why don't you get an honest woman to mark your exam paper? A rich one who has no need of your other advantages.
Logicus
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 05:20 pm
@spendius,
Is this an argument about how to treat women?
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 05:23 pm
@Logicus,
Partly. Up to when your on your knees and your eyes are half shut with exhaustion in my case.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 06:22 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

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In other words, I should have called in sick.



I agree, gb. I've seen your takes on US war crimes and terrorism. You are definitely sick.


I have met some pretty sick people in my life but when a customer told me about one of his employees I have a hard time getting it out of my mind.


Customer says that his employee called in sick and the customer told the employee that he did not sound sick and wanted to know what was so important that he could not make it to work.


The employee replied that he was ******* his sister. Shocked the customer replied that he was a sick son of a bitch and the employee replied that he told him he was sick. Rolling Eyes


Please tell me you made that up!
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 06:38 pm
@glitterbag,
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Please tell me you made that up!


I am not that sick but I do hope the customer was joking.
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Logicus
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 07:26 pm
@spendius,
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 04:12 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

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Because I wanted to know what other individuals suppose about why Jesus never condemned slavery. I thought that was obvious.


What slavery was there in the world Jesus lived in? You keep going on about Jesus not condemning slavery and you have offered no evidence that there was any.


The Bible says there was...and the Bible is the word of GOD...right?

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Why have you contributed so often to a thread you consider stupid?


I like knocking empty tin can pyramids over with a fluffy duster.


You like being pretentious, too. But the idea of you cleaning house wearing a fluffy duster is too precious for words. Thanks for offering it. Nothing like a good laugh early in the morning.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 04:18 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

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I pity people like you who fear them?


So do I. It must be really nice to think of them as a convenience.


So you indulge in self-pity. Too bad that! They are not a "convenience", Spendius...women are fellow human beings.

You ought finally to attempt to grasp that...rather than what you are grasping.


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They must terrify you.


They do indeed. If they don't you then you must know very little about them.


They do not terrify me...and I know as much or more than you do about my fellow human beings.

Beginning to sound to me that you not only fear women...you dislike them.


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Why don't you get an honest woman to mark your exam paper?


The "exam paper" is just a figment of your warped mind.


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A rich one who has no need of your other advantages.


Even the rich ones would appreciate the "other advantages."
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 04:19 am
@Logicus,
Logicus wrote:

Is this an argument about how to treat women?


No...but Spendius works his fear and de-humanization of women into almost every thread.

I'm merely responding.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 07:11 am
@Frank Apisa,
You would obviously apply your asserted insults and sneers at any woman who disagreed with you as it is so habitual. You simply do not understand that your assertions are not proof of anything and are the opposite of responding. You are talking about women who co-operate with you to your satisfaction and convenience and are approved of by your appraisal.

The implication of the thread is that you are morally superior to Jesus because you condemn slavery, which is uncommonly decent of you I must say, and He didn't according to your information. Although I will admit that you sometimes qualify that, chicken out, by referring to those who recorded for posterity what He said or what they said He said.

Just as the Founders didn't condemn the slavery we know about in North America for political reasons, i.e. unity was impossible if they had done, so also the early Christian writers had a mission which would have had no hope of success had they condemned slavery. The movement would have extirpated by the gentile tribes around them in short order.

Why do you suppose Roman law never condemned slavery? And most of our basic legal principles as well as the names and general architecture of the institutions which enshrine them derive from Roman Law. The important principles are often given Latin names.

I can't see any other reason for your thread than to justify your licence to breach the Christian code of sexual morality. And the strange thing is that you already have that freedom regarding anything in the Christian code which is not covered by the law. Which is obviously not enough for you and you seek to have us approve of it. Possibly all copy it.

I remember from before you flunked off A2K in a fit of thrumming indignation and petulance that you referred to an orgy you were involved in pretty boastfully. I myself have engaged in such activities but I would never seek to have my behaviour approved of. I am actually quite ashamed of it. I must have been at the time because only those involved ever knew about it. I certainly would not start impugning Jesus to justify it.

You should read better stuff than ladies' magazines. They are designed, as are their TV equivalents, to flatter ladies into believing themselves not a perfect disgrace to the human species. As Eve is reported to have been.

Try Neumann's analysis, following Jung, of the Good and Terrible Mother archetypes in every culture we know of. The Gorgons, the Medusas, the Sirens, the Amazons, the Argive Helens, the Sabina Poppeas, the Pompadours, the Kalis, the Coatlicues, the Rangdas, the Chicomecoatls--oh me oh my--the list is enormous. Joan Collins as The Bitch entering a posh reception with two fit young men with their knees showing through the holes worn through their jeans.

The Virgin Mary is the Good Mother archetype. There's only one of them and the Aztecs alone had thousands of Terrible Mothers.

I think they are lovely little darlings but they need to be watched. An opinion shared by all the intelligent men I have ever met either in person or in the pages of the best books. And quite forcefully by the the many who had their necks thoroughly wrung and their pockets turned inside out and had to take the blame as well.

But I am glad you have got your domestic scene organised properly. Some young men reading here must be so comforted by your ideas that their eagerness to get their necks into the noose has been extended recently, in some areas at least, into new, I won't say virgin, territory. I hope it is as plain sailing for them all as you are assuring them that it is.

Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 07:14 am
Actually, we don't even know that Jesus existed, since there are no records of his existence outside of the Christian church until 75 years after he supposedly died, but just for the sake of argument, how do you know that he never condemned slavery? Maybe he did and no one wrote it down.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 08:28 am
@Brandon9000,
Apisa is engaged in a smear. He is suggesting that those who approve of the Christian moral code and do not approve of his breaches of it are supporters of slavery.

And he has offered no evidence that slavery was widespread, or even existed at all, in the lands in which Jesus's mission was accomplished. Or of what it constituted if it did exist. Where are all the "freedmen" in Jewish writings? Such people are often mentioned in Roman and Greek chronicles.

And Apisa just carries on as if these facts haven't been pointed out to him and by others besides myself.

Had Jesus approved of slavery He would have been booed off in the first gig. The Jews had had plenty of slavery to think about.

Human rights began with Jesus.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 08:57 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

You would obviously apply your asserted insults and sneers at any woman who disagreed with you as it is so habitual. You simply do not understand that your assertions are not proof of anything and are the opposite of responding. You are talking about women who co-operate with you to your satisfaction and convenience and are approved of by your appraisal.

The implication of the thread is that you are morally superior to Jesus because you condemn slavery, which is uncommonly decent of you I must say, and He didn't according to your information. Although I will admit that you sometimes qualify that, chicken out, by referring to those who recorded for posterity what He said or what they said He said.

Just as the Founders didn't condemn the slavery we know about in North America for political reasons, i.e. unity was impossible if they had done, so also the early Christian writers had a mission which would have had no hope of success had they condemned slavery. The movement would have extirpated by the gentile tribes around them in short order.

Why do you suppose Roman law never condemned slavery? And most of our basic legal principles as well as the names and general architecture of the institutions which enshrine them derive from Roman Law. The important principles are often given Latin names.

I can't see any other reason for your thread than to justify your licence to breach the Christian code of sexual morality. And the strange thing is that you already have that freedom regarding anything in the Christian code which is not covered by the law. Which is obviously not enough for you and you seek to have us approve of it. Possibly all copy it.

I remember from before you flunked off A2K in a fit of thrumming indignation and petulance that you referred to an orgy you were involved in pretty boastfully. I myself have engaged in such activities but I would never seek to have my behaviour approved of. I am actually quite ashamed of it. I must have been at the time because only those involved ever knew about it. I certainly would not start impugning Jesus to justify it.

You should read better stuff than ladies' magazines. They are designed, as are their TV equivalents, to flatter ladies into believing themselves not a perfect disgrace to the human species. As Eve is reported to have been.

Try Neumann's analysis, following Jung, of the Good and Terrible Mother archetypes in every culture we know of. The Gorgons, the Medusas, the Sirens, the Amazons, the Argive Helens, the Sabina Poppeas, the Pompadours, the Kalis, the Coatlicues, the Rangdas, the Chicomecoatls--oh me oh my--the list is enormous. Joan Collins as The Bitch entering a posh reception with two fit young men with their knees showing through the holes worn through their jeans.

The Virgin Mary is the Good Mother archetype. There's only one of them and the Aztecs alone had thousands of Terrible Mothers.

I think they are lovely little darlings but they need to be watched. An opinion shared by all the intelligent men I have ever met either in person or in the pages of the best books. And quite forcefully by the the many who had their necks thoroughly wrung and their pockets turned inside out and had to take the blame as well.

But I am glad you have got your domestic scene organised properly. Some young men reading here must be so comforted by your ideas that their eagerness to get their necks into the noose has been extended recently, in some areas at least, into new, I won't say virgin, territory. I hope it is as plain sailing for them all as you are assuring them that it is.




Poor Spendius. He so fears women...and apparently hates them that he has to go off on tirades like this and pretend he is addresssing me and what I brought up, when in fact he is merely using it to disparage women because they so frighten him.

There, there, boy. You will be okay. The women will not make you stop playing with that thingy of yours.

Gotta wonder why an atheist like Spendius capitalizes the pronoun "He" when referring to Jesus.



Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 08:58 am
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

Actually, we don't even know that Jesus existed, since there are no records of his existence outside of the Christian church until 75 years after he supposedly died, but just for the sake of argument, how do you know that he never condemned slavery? Maybe he did and no one wrote it down.


Yeah...maybe he did and no one wrote it down.

We've discussed that a half dozen times already, Brandon.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 09:03 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Apisa is engaged in a smear. He is suggesting that those who approve of the Christian moral code and do not approve of his breaches of it are supporters of slavery.


No, no, no, Spendius. I have never suggested anything of the sort. Why do you make stuff like this up?


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And he has offered no evidence that slavery was widespread, or even existed at all, in the lands in which Jesus's mission was accomplished. Or of what it constituted if it did exist. Where are all the "freedmen" in Jewish writings? Such people are often mentioned in Roman and Greek chronicles.

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Nope...and I have offered no evidence that there actually was a Rome.

Why make your arguments more of a farce, Spendius. Quit digging. You are in deep enough.



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And Apisa just carries on as if these facts haven't been pointed out to him and by others besides myself.


I'm expecting that you know there was a Rome...and there was an Egypt.



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Had Jesus approved of slavery He would have been booed off in the first gig. The Jews had had plenty of slavery to think about.


Now you are asserting there was slavery...and without proof!

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Human rights began with Jesus.


Sure they did. Just like rocket science did.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 01:18 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

Actually, we don't even know that Jesus existed, since there are no records of his existence outside of the Christian church until 75 years after he supposedly died, but just for the sake of argument, how do you know that he never condemned slavery? Maybe he did and no one wrote it down.


Yeah...maybe he did and no one wrote it down.

We've discussed that a half dozen times already, Brandon.

I don't remember any of those discussions.
Logicus
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 01:28 pm
@Brandon9000,
It was probably in the previous replies to the topic, Brandon.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 02:00 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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The women will not make you stop playing with that thingy of yours.


They do where they have the chance.

You seem to have a Catholic neurosis about wanking.

Why do you capitalize my username? I don't wonder about that. I don't wonder anything about blokes like you. I've met hundreds. Maybe a few thousand.

And less of the "little" if you don't mind. I have been assured by more than one experienced Lady that I am average. Which is to say perfect assuming evolution works. Although I'll admit that one of them held her hand in the air and rocked it from side to side.

If the women of evolution had chosen big dicks to mate with the men would have ended up with dongs that restricted their ability to run and that would have no good now would it. So they settled for less.

Why are you Abling to Know all the young lads here that it's no sweat taking on a female? Because it is a sweat.

Is it because your Great Lover sub-text can get plenty airplay.

Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 02:17 pm
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

Actually, we don't even know that Jesus existed, since there are no records of his existence outside of the Christian church until 75 years after he supposedly died, but just for the sake of argument, how do you know that he never condemned slavery? Maybe he did and no one wrote it down.


Yeah...maybe he did and no one wrote it down.

We've discussed that a half dozen times already, Brandon.

I don't remember any of those discussions.


What could I tell ya? We have discussed this many times already...some here in this thread. Read the thread. You will find it.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 02:19 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

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The women will not make you stop playing with that thingy of yours.


They do where they have the chance.

You seem to have a Catholic neurosis about wanking.

Why do you capitalize my username? I don't wonder about that. I don't wonder anything about blokes like you. I've met hundreds. Maybe a few thousand.

And less of the "little" if you don't mind. I have been assured by more than one experienced Lady that I am average. Which is to say perfect assuming evolution works. Although I'll admit that one of them held her hand in the air and rocked it from side to side.

If the women of evolution had chosen big dicks to mate with the men would have ended up with dongs that restricted their ability to run and that would have no good now would it. So they settled for less.

Why are you Abling to Know all the young lads here that it's no sweat taking on a female? Because it is a sweat.

Is it because your Great Lover sub-text can get plenty airplay.




It's okay, Spendius. The girls will not harm you. If you can get one to do the deed with you (I'm not at all sure you can)...you will find the experience much more satisfying than sex with your fist.

Trust me on this.
 

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