Why do you suppose Jesus never condemned slavery?

@Frank Apisa,

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Sure they did. Just like rocket science did.

Too true. Rocket science began with Jesus. But you have neither the capacity nor the inclination to understand why. Spengler explains it.

Your problem is that you can't see that it is impossible, in view of the mountain of evidence, not to have reservations about women. Your cloying, supplicatory uxoriousness is not only very tiresome to women after the first flush, so to speak, but it is saying that having reservations about them is tantamount to having nothing but reservations about them. And that is simply not the case. All it means is that young men should not take things too much for granted. Isn't that better advice than you are offering? If I advise a young man to take some time in sizing up a future wife it does not mean that the particular woman he is sizing up is dangerous. Not in the least.

The young woman of today deserves more sizing up than her counterpart of 50 years ago.

But I don't think the US has any publications equivalent to what our ZIT and VIZ were before they were cut down to size. There's plenty of DAMES ARE DEADLY stuff in the US though but the few in the genre I have read the hero gets out with his skin. Then there's Barbara Stanwyk.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Trust me on this.

Trust you!!!!???? You have no idea. Your just mouthing cliches to touch up the picture of you as the Great Lover.

The US has a 50% divorce rate for ****'s sake. Which means a nearly 100% breakdown because a large number stick it out for money reasons or for the kids. To say, as a generalisation, that the girls will not harm you, is totally ridiculous.

I've noticed before that you are very keen to emphasise how happy you are.

In my shagged-out old has-been status, and I'm younger than you, what on earth do I want a woman for? The idea is undignified. I'm past it. And it is much better than I ever thought it would be. It's like when a tree surgeon stops his chainsaw.

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@spendius,

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Sure they did. Just like rocket science did.

Too true. Rocket science began with Jesus. But you have neither the capacity nor the inclination to understand why. Spengler explains it.

What? Not Jane Austen? Right, Spendius, rocket science began with Jesus. Spoken like a true atheist!

But...allow me to help you keep digging.

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Your problem is that you can't see that it is impossible, in view of the mountain of evidence, not to have reservations about women.

Sorry you hate women so much, Spendius. What happened? Did your Mommy scold you for playing with your thingy?

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Your cloying, supplicatory uxoriousness is not only very tiresome to women after the first flush, so to speak, but it is saying that having reservations about them is tantamount to having nothing but reservations about them. And that is simply not the case. All it means is that young men should not take things too much for granted. Isn't that better advice than you are offering? If I advise a young man to take some time in sizing up a future wife it does not mean that the particular woman he is sizing up is dangerous. Not in the least.

Please, Spendius...if you are going to try to sell that snake oil...do it somewhere else. Nobody here is going to buy it.

Women are fine...they are human beings just like men. Some males (not necessarily men) are afraid of them...but that has to do with sexual hangups...not with any deficiencies in women.

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The young woman of today deserves more sizing up than her counterpart of 50 years ago.

The young women of today are just fine, Spendius. Try not to let them scare you.

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But I don't think the US has any publications equivalent to what our ZIT and VIZ were before they were cut down to size. There's plenty of DAMES ARE DEADLY stuff in the US though but the few in the genre I have read the hero gets out with his skin. Then there's Barbara Stanwyk.

Jesus Christ you are pretentious.

You ought to give it up, but I can see you intend to keep digging for as long as you can. Lemme help you by carrying away some of the dirt. And here...take some more rope while you are at it.

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@spendius,

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Trust me on this.

Trust you!!!!???? You have no idea. Your just mouthing cliches to touch up the picture of you as the Great Lover.

The US has a 50% divorce rate for ****'s sake. Which means a nearly 100% breakdown because a large number stick it out for money reasons or for the kids. To say, as a generalisation, that the girls will not harm you, is totally ridiculous.

I've noticed before that you are very keen to emphasise how happy you are.

In my shagged-out old has-been status, and I'm younger than you, what on earth do I want a woman for? The idea is undignified. I'm past it. And it is much better than I ever thought it would be. It's like when a tree surgeon stops his chainsaw.

Yeah...that and the fact that most women probably wouldn't come within a block of you.

Get over yourself.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Why do you suppose Jesus didn't condemned slavery?

Why do you suppose he never spoke out against it?

I believe, Frank Apisa, that slavery was very much endemic to the culture. Some men, if they could afford it, had more than one wife. ["Render unto Caesar" is the beginning of a phrase attributed to Jesus in the synoptic gospels, which reads in full, "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" ] If Jesus did exist, why would he question Caesar's law which would have brought the Roman soldiers down upon him and his followers....

Caesar owned many a slave, along with many wealthy men of the day and these slaves accepted this as their status in life, such was the classification system during the time of Jesus.

I would be curious to know your personal thoughts on **your**question, for surely you must have some view.

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@Moment-in-Time,

I thought that Jesus did not really care about Roman law, at least in the Bible. I'm pretty sure it was Roman soldiers that executed Jesus.

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@Moment-in-Time,

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If Jesus did exist, why would he question Caesar's law which would have brought the Roman soldiers down upon him and his followers....

Jesus, a simple prophet, lured many to his sermons and this triggered some anxiety among the Romans who feared that this charismatic leader of men might form an army against Caesar. Jesus is quoted many times, "my Kingdom is not of this earth." He was a revolutionary and he made clear many things clear that were obscure

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@Logicus,

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I thought that Jesus did not really care about Roman law, at least in the Bible. I'm pretty sure it was Roman soldiers that executed Jesus.

Of course it was the Roman soldiers who executed Jesus.

Jesus did not interfere with Roman law. He said "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar and unto God that which is God."

It was speculated Jesus' sermons being so powerful, attracting so many followers that he could raise an army to defeat Caesar. This thought did not enter the revolutionary's mind as he was not that type of transformer as his world was a spiritual one not earthly.

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@Moment-in-Time,

I fear that I might be making an unpleasant reply to this sensitive topic, but what if Jesus was a deluded fanatic who believed that he was the son of God. Apologies if this caused any hard feelings, and please don't threaten me with damnation, for I'm not that foolish.

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@Moment-in-Time,

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Of course it was the Roman soldiers who executed Jesus.

Were there any historians who wrote about this or Jesus?

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@Logicus,

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I fear that I might be making an unpleasant reply to this sensitive topic, but what if Jesus was a deluded fanatic who believed that he was the son of God. Apologies if this caused any hard feelings, and please don't threaten me with damnation, for I'm not that foolish.

You are not shocking me, Logicus. There is even the rumor that Jesus was a myth. At any rate, I do not believe in gods of any sort. My life is finite....Man is born, Man lives, and Man dies....End of story.

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@Moment-in-Time,

Ah, apologies. I thought by your argument that you were a religious man.

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@reasoning logic,

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Of course it was the Roman soldiers who executed Jesus.

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Were there any historians who wrote about this or Jesus?[/quote]

I'm sure there were historians recording much; whether they recorded the actions of Jesus who was a little known prophet like so many others roaming the country side speaking of the coming Lord is doubtful. Jesus only became significant to the world after his death. Quotes attributed to Jesus was handed down via word of mouth, nearly two hundred years after his death. In the New Testament the death of Jesus who was sentenced by Pilate. The execution of Jesus might have been recorded along with the others who were killed during Pilate's period in Palestine.

When I was in my early teens I taught Sunday School and had to acquaint myself with the New Testament.....now I've forgotten much of what I taught. To look at me today it's hard to believe I once thought if I were a good teenager, when I die, I would go to heaven and see all my loved ones who had gone on before me.

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@Moment-in-Time,

Religion, at least to me, seems to be Humankind's way of finding hope in death.

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@reasoning logic,

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Were there any historians who wrote about this or Jesus?

The Bible both the old and the new tend to be filled with contradictions and much of the anger ascribed to God, I believe, is man's attributing his own fralities onto this spiritual being.

RL, I am no Bible scholar, not in the least.

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@Frank Apisa,

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The young women of today are just fine, Spendius. Try not to let them scare you.

They don't. I keep out of their way.

I once bought a property as an investment and I didn't know what to do with it in the meantime. I could have left it empty but one night in the pub I got talking to a local government chap and the subject came up. He said that if I converted it into six flats he could find me tenants whose rents his department would be paying. It sounded a good deal so I converted the joint into six flats. His job was to help wrung out men back to normality.

What a pitiful sight I was confronted with. One of them told me that he wished they had cut his dick off in infancy and another one asked me to knock him out if I saw him talking to a woman in a pub. When I finally decided I couldn't stand it any longer I closed it down. I had to go round once a week to shift the mail that came through the door. They were being hunted down like dogs.

What the girls--oops--ladies, of A2K think about Apisa claiming they are harmless and are only panting with anticipation for him get it up them I cannot imagine. If I was them I would be enraged at such an underestimation of their powers of persuasion.

Assertions notwithstanding.

My mother did try to drum into me that I was wonderful. It soon became obvious to me that she was just talking up her genetic material. Obviously you must have lapped it up and have never had cause to doubt.

What a big-headed, egotistical novice misogynist you are underneath that bluff exterior.

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@Logicus,

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Religion, at least to me, seems to be Humankind's way of finding hope in death.

Yes, I agree simply because man doesn't like to think this is the end of himself. Primitive humans did not have the science to know what caused thunder, so they invented a god that caused thunder. In that way, their natural curiosity was satisfied. Again, primitive humans did not know what caused love, so they invented a god that caused love. And so forth.

Man created his gods; prior to Monotheism there were all manner of gods, even Mars and Jupiter were worshipped.

There was a DEEP-SEATED NEED in our kind who needed a protector, something similar to the mother who in most cases do everything to keep her young safe. Mankind's necessity for a god, created their god.

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@Moment-in-Time,

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Jesus who was a little known prophet like so many others roaming the country side speaking of the coming Lord.

Were there people who were doing this at this time in history?

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Jesus only became significant to the world after his death.

How can be sure that this took place?

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Quotes attributed to Jesus was handed down via word of mouth, nearly two hundred years after his death.

Again wouldn't some historians have mentioned this process or was it not important to them or that I may be unaware of them?

I do think that there were some people who shared moral philosophy that was attributed to Jesus and I think many of us marvel at the enlightenment of these ethics.

I think that the therapeutea may have been very close to where the Jesus concept came from

About the Therapeutea,
"Now this class of persons may be met with in many places, for it was fitting that both Greece and the country of the barbarians should partake of whatever is perfectly good; and there is the greatest number of such men in Egypt, in every one of the districts, or nomes, as they are called, and especially around Alexandria; and from all quarters those who are the best of these therapeutae proceed on their pilgrimage to some most suitable place as if it were their country, which is beyond the Maereotic lake."

They lived chastely with utter simplicity; they "first of all laid down temperance as a sort of foundation for the soul to rest upon, proceed to build up other virtues on this foundation" (Philo). They were dedicated to the contemplative life, and their activities for six days of the week consisted of ascetic practices, fasting, solitary prayers and the study of the scriptures in their isolated cells, each with its separate holy sanctuary, and enclosed courtyard:

"the entire interval from dawn to evening is given up by them to spiritual exercises. For they read the holy scriptures and draw out in thought and allegory their ancestral philosophy, since they regard the literal meanings as symbols of an inner and hidden nature revealing itself in covert ideas."
—De Vita Contemplativa, para. 28

In addition to the Pentateuch, the Prophets and Psalms they possessed arcane writings of their own tradition, including formulae for numerological and allegorical interpretations.

They renounced property and followed severe discipline:

"These men abandon their property without being influenced by any predominant attraction, and flee without even turning their heads back again."
—De Vita Contemplativa para. 18

They "professed an art of healing superior to that practiced in the cities" Philo notes, and the reader must be reminded of the reputation as a healer Saint Anthony possessed among his 4th-century contemporaries, who flocked out from Alexandria to reach him.

On the seventh day the Therapeutae met in a meeting house, the men on one side of an open partition, the women modestly on the other, to hear discourses. Once in seven weeks they meet for a night-long vigil after a banquet where they served one another, for "they are not waited on by slaves, because they deem any possession of servants whatever to be contrary to nature. For she has begotten all men alike free" (De Vita Contemplativa, para.70) and sing antiphonal hymns until dawn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therapeutae

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@reasoning logic,

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Were there people who were doing this at this time in history?

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Moment-in-Time wrote:

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Jesus only became significant to the world after his death.

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How can be sure that this took place?

I don't. Are you jesting?

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@Moment-in-Time,

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I don't. Are you jesting?

No but I do joke at times.

Do you think that Jesus existed? I do think that the moral philosophy did exist in some of the people at that time and there may have been " in my opinion people that were put to death for teaching morals that went against the status quo.

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