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Why do you suppose Jesus never condemned slavery?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 26 Mar, 2013 07:44 am
@gungasnake,
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The big bang idea is BS just like evolution.


Along with the BS of the world not being the center of the universe and PI not being 3.141592 and so on...........but is just equal to 3. See I Kings 7:23-26, describing a large cauldron, or "molten sea" in the Temple of Solomon.

Yes religion have a long and proud history of revealing truths that evil science seems not to be able to match.

I am of the opinion that we should burn all science and math books and just depend on the holy books even if that would means that our cars wheels will not roll very well and there will be problems with the cars gears trains also.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Tue 26 Mar, 2013 10:00 am
@Frank Apisa,
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MAYBE you are correct...MAYBE you are incorrect.

That is all I am saying. Your guess may be correct...but it may be incorrect.

Thanks Frank...and I will give you some words of encouragements in return...You may be correct about your guess about what I have said as well, and you may be incorrect about your guess about what I have said as well...Wink
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 26 Mar, 2013 03:55 pm
@BillRM,
http://able2know.org/topic/207624-1
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 26 Mar, 2013 10:53 pm
Again for any who may have missed it, being a slave in the ancient world, 9 ways out of ten was just another job description. It's what anybody who'd vote for Bork Obunga in today's world did for a living in the ancient world.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2013 04:35 am
@gungasnake,
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Again for any who may have missed it, being a slave in the ancient world, 9 ways out of ten was just another job description.


Yeah...but that 1/10th was a biggie. Your OWNER could buy you and sell you and sell your wife and children...and you could do nothing about it at all. They could consider you and your family chattel and bequeath you in a will to several different people. Your owner could screw your wife or daughter...and ask you to serve him wine while doing so.


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It's what anybody who'd vote for Bork Obunga in today's world did for a living in the ancient world.


I hope that made you feel better, Gunga.

gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2013 05:16 am
@Frank Apisa,
I didn't say slavery was a good deal for the slaves... Just a normal fact of life 2000 years ago and on back.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2013 05:18 am
@gungasnake,
What you said, Gunga, was:

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Again for any who may have missed it, being a slave in the ancient world, 9 ways out of ten was just another job description. It's what anybody who'd vote for Bork Obunga in today's world did for a living in the ancient world.


I responded to that.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2013 12:10 pm
Frank, I think the answer to this, as far as Jesus is concerned, may lie in the fact that Jesus fulfilled the law. I know; I know; This is another of your pet subjects and doesn't answer the undrlying questions about slavery. But I think it may take your microscope aeay from Jesus.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2013 12:15 pm
@neologist,
Okay...so let's go with that. Let's say you are correct...Jesus "fulfilled the law"...whatever that means.

How does that impact on anything...particularly the question of why Jesus never condemned slavery?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2013 12:17 pm
Neo, you're on shaky ground claiming that your boy Jesus "fulfilled the law," as you well know. The passage in Matthew says "until all be fulfilled," and "the law" is not cognate from the context.

You're just play exegetical games.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2013 12:25 pm
Neo...what Setanta just said may be correct.

The passage (in one Bible) reads:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets. I have come, not to abolish them, but to fulfill them. Of this much I assure you; UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, not the smallest letter of the law, not the smallest part of a letter shall be done away with until it all comes true." Matthew 5:17ff

It does not even say that he HAS fulfilled them...but that HE HAS COME to fulfill them.

But let's go with your supposition that he actually did "fulfill" them.

Where does that lead us?

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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2013 12:25 pm
@Setanta,
"When, now, he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “It has been accomplished!” and, bowing his head, he delivered up [his] spirit" (John 19:30)
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2013 12:27 pm
@neologist,
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Re: Setanta (Post 5288717)
"When, now, he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “It has been accomplished!” and, bowing his head, he delivered up [his] spirit" (John 19:30)


John is the least reliable of all the gospels...but even if this means Jesus "fulfilled" whatever...how does that impact on the question?
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2013 12:28 pm
@neologist,
Yeah, like i said, you're playing exegetical games. You jokers just love obscure passages such as that which do not have clear, unambiguous meanings, because then you get to claim they mean whatever it is your peddling at the time.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2013 12:39 pm
Just for kicks, Neo...just respond to my question. It may not mean anything to the intellectuals and sophisticates in A2K, but for us common folk, it could prove interesting.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2013 01:16 pm
@Frank Apisa,
John the least reliable. . . ?

This could be the source of your conundrum. If you ask a question about scripture, but are disinclined to accept answers from scripture, you will never find the scriptural answer.

You remember my friend Joe Sixpack? He had a neighbor whose other neighbor's dog would make hidden deposits in his garden. Now this man was a highly intelligent forensic scientist, not easily fooled. You get the picture?

One day the highly intelligent scientist discovered an encrusted deposit hidden near the rose bushes. "Dratitall", he said. "This could really be a malodorous detraction to our garden party." But, being highly intelligent, he needed to be sure; he got a stick and proceeded to part the rose bushes for closer inspection. This proved quite painful due to the obscure location and prickly nature of the rose. Nevertheless, he persisted and, though scratched and bloody, managed to poke the suspect substance. His scientificly trained olfactories soon confirmed his suspicions. Now, however, came the dilemma of discovery, for a rose near any other nuance might not smell so sweet. He would now be forced to return to that damnable bush with shovel and baggie, thereby exposing himself to additional injury. He was one of the more colorful displays at his party.

Joe had to ask "Neo, do smart guys always have it so good?"

Perhaps we already know the answer.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2013 01:37 pm
You're not providing an answer from scripture. What you're attempting to do is to suggest that your boy Jesus "fulfilled the law," and that therefore it no longer mattered, so you seem to be attempting to suggest that in fulfilling the law, slavery was no longer sanctioned by the law. First, there is no clear, unambiguous passage in scripture which claims the the law was fulfilled. Second, even had there been, there is no clear, unambiguous passage in which it is stated that therefore slavery was no longer sanctioned. Finally, of course, slavery was sanctioned in the Roman empire, and like it or not, all these jokers resided in the Roman empire.

So you have not provided an answer from scripture and you still have not answered the question of why Jesus never condemned slavery.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2013 01:42 pm
@neologist,
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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5288728)
John the least reliable. . . ?

This could be the source of your conundrum. If you ask a question about scripture, but are disinclined to accept answers from scripture, you will never find the scriptural answer.

You remember my friend Joe Sixpack? He had a neighbor whose other neighbor's dog would make hidden deposits in his garden. Now this man was a highly intelligent forensic scientist, not easily fooled. You get the picture?

One day the highly intelligent scientist discovered an encrusted deposit hidden near the rose bushes. "Dratitall", he said. "This could really be a malodorous detraction to our garden party." But, being highly intelligent, he needed to be sure; he got a stick and proceeded to part the rose bushes for closer inspection. This proved quite painful due to the obscure location and prickly nature of the rose. Nevertheless, he persisted and, though scratched and bloody, managed to poke the suspect substance. His scientificly trained olfactories soon confirmed his suspicions. Now, however, came the dilemma of discovery, for a rose near any other nuance might not smell so sweet. He would now be forced to return to that damnable bush with shovel and baggie, thereby exposing himself to additional injury. He was one of the more colorful displays at his party.

Joe had to ask "Neo, do smart guys always have it so good?"

Perhaps we already know the answer.



Congratulations, Neo. This was one of the worst evasion of a question I've ever read.

But...I like to be sure...so...

...let us suppose that you and John are both correct--and Jesus has fulfilled what he was supposed to fulfill.

How does that impact on why he never condemned slavery?

The reason for my question is that earlier you responded, “Frank, I think the answer to this, as far as Jesus is concerned, may lie in the fact that Jesus fulfilled the law. I know; I know; This is another of your pet subjects and doesn't answer the undrlying questions about slavery. But I think it may take your microscope aeay from Jesus.”

So I am willing to assume Jesus thought he “fulfilled the law”; John thought Jesus “fulfilled the law”; and you think John was right that Jesus thought Jesus had “fulfilled the law.”

Why didn’t Jesus condemn slavery before “fulfilling the law”; while “fulfilling the law”; or after “fulfilling the law”…(since he did make appearances after that John passage?)
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2013 01:44 pm
@neologist,
By the way...the answer, "It doesn't impact on the question at all. I just used it because I couldn't come up with anything better"...

...works just fine.

If that is the true answer, of course.
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gekritzl
 
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Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2013 04:46 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Not only did he NEVER condemn slavery, he actually advised how savagely we should whip our slaves

URL: http://nomeekmessiah.com/NMM-beaten.htm
 

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