Why do you suppose Jesus never condemned slavery?

@spendius,

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If you could show me what the bullshit was I could at least try to correct myself.

Spendius I was only joking around with you, I was not commenting on your actual reply because as usual I find it best not to in most cases. Wink

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@Joe Nation,

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I'm sure he was kind to moneychangers and temple merchants when he wasn't whipping them with a rope.

I think that he may have only been whipping the animals because it seemed as he lost his powers that day. I would have thought that someone who could do all the miracles that Jesus did could have politely asked the animals to leave and they would have.

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Prof. Michael Grant wrote--

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These Jewish territories were not, on the whole, happy places. The Romans, who governed vast areas of the world with noteworthy success, were by no means at their best in dealing with the Palestinian Jews, owing to mutual incomprehension and misunderstandings of each other's religious and cultural customs. The flash-point was low, and the eventual outcome was bloody rebellion, not once but twice, in the first and second Jewish revolts or Roman wars, in AD 66--73 and 132--5. These uprisings, savagely fought and savagely repressed, still lay in the future, but already there was tension and unrest, augmented by serious economic discontents owing to the oppressive taxation which the natural poverty of the country made almost intolerable.

In this highly charged atmosphere many independent Jewish spokesmen for popular longings and aspirations arose all the time. Some were secular and some were spiritual in their ultimate aims, but almost all preached some version of the Torah-based religion which dominated and pervaded the life of every Jew. Suspected of sedition by the Roman and Jewish authorities alike these men were often mysterious in their origins and cryptic in their messages--cryptic already to their contemporary listeners and much more obscure to ourselves after the passage of nearly two thousand years.

Don't you think that some of you lot might try imagining that life before you start pontificating about it. You're sat in a ******* computer room with a belly full of fodder and the emergency services on the red button.

Can you not see that a "high" handicap golfer in NJ, with all that implies, and it's a hell of a lot, is in no position to ask why Jesus did this or didn't do that? Can you not see that getting into such a position is patently ridiculous? Getting astride 2000 years of history across half the globe, in sharp slacks tailored to display the two-toned classy leather golf shoes which traipse all the **** into the changing rooms for the slave to clean up. And glad he is of having the job. Probably maintains the bogs in pristine condition as well.

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@Frank Apisa,

Izzythepush wrote:

See much of the Ryder Cup?

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Actually, Izzy, I didn't...and I am glad I was unable to do so.

What a rather, week display, by the Men over here... 2 Cents

...Not trying to cheapin' it, for the Euro's....Or anything....They won, they earned it, and deserved it.... Exclamation

Did you guys see that 153 ft. putt by Michael Phelps??

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@spendius,

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Can you not see that a "high" handicap golfer in NJ, with all that implies, and it's a hell of a lot, is in no position to ask why Jesus did this or didn't do that?

Au contraire, mon ami. I am in a perfect position to ask...and, if you look at the top of the page, I already have. In any case, I am in a very comfortable chair at my desk with my computer keyboard at hand...a perfect place to ask those kinds of questions.

You seem to be abusing logic these days, Spendius.

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Can you not see that getting into such a position is patently ridiculous?

Getting into position to have sex often is a patently ridiculous position, Spendius, but sitting at a desk typing is not. C'mon!

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Getting astride 2000 years of history across half the globe, in sharp slacks tailored to display the two-toned classy leather golf shoes which traipse all the **** into the changing rooms for the slave to clean up.

Oh, the laughter...the side-splitting laughter. No sharp slacks...especially not tailored to display two-toned classy leather golf shoes. I am part of the lower part of the 99%...and I travel economy class all the time. And I am a starter, not a slave in any changing room.

But nice try...and truly I thank you for all the laughs.

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And glad he is of having the job. Probably maintains the bogs in pristine condition as well.

No bogs...but you did get one thing correct. I am delighted to have the job. There is only one real negative to the job. It doesn't pay especially well ($12 an hour) but a perk is free golf at any of the five country courses here. So in order to maximize my earnings, I am forced to play golf as often as possible...usually five days a week (I work the other two). But...someone has got to do it.

You are a delight, Spendius. Keep posting. I enjoy responding to you more than anyone else in A2K.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

It was horrible for the American team, SM. But these things happen. Wait 'til next year! Wink

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@Frank Apisa,

Will there even be a next year?

What about December 21st?? 2012??

Wink

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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What about December 21st?? 2012??

Did you abandon Christianity or did you incorporate Mayan into to it? I hear that is how some modern day Mayans do it.

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Mayan religion was characterized by the worship of nature gods (especially the gods of sun, rain and corn), a priestly class, the importance of astronomy and astrology, rituals of human sacrifice, and the building of elaborate pyramidical temples.

They seem much like our ancestors.

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@reasoning logic,

Neither...It was a joke, to see what Frank, or others, would say...

As you can read, from my other post, in the thread I created...I do not believe, that the world will end, on that date....

I do believe, it will end for some...But not all...

And, I do not believe, that the Mayans, were right, in predicting the end of the world...

I do not believe, that any living person, actually knows that answer...And I do not believe, anyone ever will, be able too, either...

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"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest"

Matthew 11.28.

The thread question is stupid. It betrays a complete ignorance of the life of Jesus and has only been asked in a pathetic attempt to discredit the founder of Christianity in the service of self-justification.

The whole mission of Jesus was in support of the underprivileged and oppressed. And He was executed in a cruel manner for it.

How dare a silly old high handicap golfer ask such a question and not expect to be ridiculed?

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@spendius,

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The thread question is stupid. It betrays a complete ignorance of the life of Jesus and has only been asked in a pathetic attempt to discredit the founder of Christianity in the service of self-justification.

I find it odd that an atheist such as yourself would make such a reply.

Who is the founder of Christianity? I don't think Frank knows this nor do I think that frank is trying to discredit a person he is not sure about but rather what he is doing is asking a question and I find it to be a legitimate one myself.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Neither...It was a joke, to see what Frank, or others, would say...

You know some people take this to heart and believe this just as much as you believe in what you believe. Do you remember last year I think it was when that preacher was saying that the Rapture was going to be on a certain day? I have been told that some of his followers gave away all their belongings and were ready to be raptured.

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@reasoning logic,

I think that your faked diplomas have gone to your heads.

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@spendius,

OK so you think Frank is trying to discredit Paul? Do you think that Paul might need to be discredited? Wink

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@reasoning logic,

One weird fact about apocalytic cults, often after predicting the end of the world, and being wrong, membership actually goes up more often than not.

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@izzythepush,

That is what I have heard myself, I wonder why membership goes up.

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@spendius,

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The thread question is stupid.

The thread question is reasonable...and not stupid at all. Try to get a grip on yourself, Spendius.

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It betrays a complete ignorance of the life of Jesus and has only been asked in a pathetic attempt to discredit the founder of Christianity in the service of self-justification.

I am not attempting to discredit "the founder of Christianity" at all. I am asking a legitimate, reasonable question...for which you have no reasonable answer.

In fact, my answer to my own question shows I am not trying to discredit Jesus or Paul or any of the others. The reason I suppose these people did not condemn slavery is because the god they worshiped told them there was nothing wrong with slavery.

Really, Spendius, you are being completely illogical. Listen to JL...he is hitting this nail on its head. (JL, despite our many disagreements on other issues, I appreciate your comments on this particular item...and I agree with you.)

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The whole mission of Jesus was in support of the underprivileged and oppressed. And He was executed in a cruel manner for it.

Okay...let's say that is correct. But why do you suppose he did not condemn slavery? What do you see wrong with my supposition on the matter?

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How dare a silly old high handicap golfer ask such a question and not expect to be ridiculed?

Anything anyone says in this forum is subject to ridicule. There is no way I did not expect to be ridiculed by you. I am merely using facts to show your ridicule is inappropriate.

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@reasoning logic,

Because it's good fun you silly moocow. What other possible reason could there be? With some even average PR you can get on TV.

And one might behave irresponsibly.

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@reasoning logic,

RL...I commented on your comments in my previous post. I want to thank you for your comments here...and you certainly are reading me much better than Spendius. In fact, Spendius is not reading me at all...he is merely taking silly pot shots at me for some reason.

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@reasoning logic,

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OK so you think Frank is trying to discredit Paul?

No. He just switched the onus onto God. And he doesn't believe in God because he has no evi......blah blah.

There is a need to have some knowledge of the times, the geography, the politics and the cultures of Galilee and Judea in order to address oneself to the question and there is not the slightest sign of any such knowledge being present on this thread except for myself and my knowledge is very skimpy.

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Do you think that Paul might need to be discredited?

How would I know? Asking the question is ridiculous.

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