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Why do you suppose Jesus never condemned slavery?

 
 
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2021 07:43 am
@Frank Apisa,
Actually I just answered it. With four examples. Your brain filtered those out as "you dunno either."

The God that Jesus worshipped said nothing of the sort.

"Let my people go." That ring a bell?

While there may be moral myopia about outsiders being enslaved, keep in mind that to Jewish culture, these are godless Gentiles. I won't say that ancient Jewish culture is blameless, however, just as they condemn human sacrifices but routinely sacrificed animals for their sins, there is a disconnect between Jews condemning slavery of Jews but allowing it of Gentiles. I don't God liked slavery or animal sacrifice, but tolerated these things (and yes, there is a difference - one involves allowing something because you love a people, the other involves supporting a practice). At around the time of Jesus, animal sacrifice was put to an end. But some Jews tried to continue it, and we get a weird series of miracles after the death of Jesus.
https://www.windowview.org/hmny/pgs/talmuds.30ce.html
* The doors swung open in the temple
* The lights kept going out.
* The cloth that the priests were normally able to turn white with animal sacrifices stayed red
* The lots they drew for the Lord /for scapegoat always landed on for scapegoat.


In other words, Jesus was telling them that God no longer tolerated their favoring Jews and humans in expense of Gentiles and animals. The time of other-sacrifice and enslavement was over.

Also, still backpedaling.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2021 08:26 am
@Frank Apisa,
These 'religion' based threads truly bring out how twisted and full of hate some of these 'so called' believers actually are. They come out in droves, anxious to give voice to these irrational fears and spread the venom around liberally.

I seldom participate in these topics because they rapidly devolve into a form of depravity that is hard to stomach. The only way these fake's know how to respond is by calling everyone else an atheist or a doomed sinner or whatever else they can cook up so they can preen their own feathers and strut around like peacocks. That's how they make their lives relevant, THEY are the true believers and they freaking despise anyone and everyone that doesn't meet their approval. Here's the thing, no one can meet their approval, they will 'discover' a fault that makes others totally unworthy of their God's grace.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2021 08:28 am
@bulmabriefs144,
It is truly amazing to me at how must time humans has waste on religion nonsense over the centuries.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2021 08:33 am
@glitterbag,
Exactly, the religious posters are by far the nastiest ones on A2K.

It’s what comes of separating people into sheep and goats.

As we’re all goats we do not matter and can be treated like crap.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2021 08:40 am
@izzythepush,
And they live amongst us. Festering pockets of hate spreading vileness merely by their footsteps.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2021 11:40 am
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:


Actually I just answered it. With four examples. Your brain filtered those out as "you dunno either."

The God that Jesus worshipped said nothing of the sort.


Here is what the Bible tells us that the god of the Bible said:

"Slaves, male and female, you may indeed possess, provided you BUY them from among the neighboring nations. You may also BUY them from among the aliens who reside with you and from their children who are born and reared in your land. Such slaves YOU MAY OWN AS CHATTELS, and leave to your sons as their hereditary property, MAKING THEM PERPETUAL SLAVES. But you shall not lord it harshly over any of the Israelites, your kinsmen."
Leviticus 25:44ff

So don't give me that **** that the god Jesus worshiped did not say it.

The reason Jesus did not condemn slavery...is because the god he worshiped said quite clearly and distinctly that there was nothing wrong with slavery.

I know, I know...it is a bitch to deal with.

But...
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2021 11:41 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

These 'religion' based threads truly bring out how twisted and full of hate some of these 'so called' believers actually are. They come out in droves, anxious to give voice to these irrational fears and spread the venom around liberally.

I seldom participate in these topics because they rapidly devolve into a form of depravity that is hard to stomach. The only way these fake's know how to respond is by calling everyone else an atheist or a doomed sinner or whatever else they can cook up so they can preen their own feathers and strut around like peacocks. That's how they make their lives relevant, THEY are the true believers and they freaking despise anyone and everyone that doesn't meet their approval. Here's the thing, no one can meet their approval, they will 'discover' a fault that makes others totally unworthy of their God's grace.


Bingo, Glitterbag. You hit the nails squarely on their heads here!

Thanks.
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hightor
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2021 01:14 pm
Jefferson, Jesus, and Slavery

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In his favorable review of The Jefferson Bible: A Biography by Peter Manseau, Rob Boston notes with approval that Manseau “holds Jefferson to account for one of his most disturbing inconsistencies” (Church & State, November 2020, 19–20). Boston specifies this inconsistency: Thomas Jefferson seemed to admire Jesus’s morals while enjoying a comfortable life built on the backs of enslaved people.

What is neglected in this indictment is that Jesus himself unquestioningly accepted slavery, which was an approved societal institution throughout biblical times, just as it was during Jefferson’s lifetime. Surely, if it’s appropriate to accuse Jefferson of ethical hypocrisy concerning his acceptance of slavery, then the same charge should be leveled against Jesus, who was Jefferson’s ethical role model.

Because Jesus never criticized or condemned slavery and did not forbid people from owning slaves, he tacitly endorsed the practice. Moreover, in the parable of the Unfaithful Servant, Jesus explicitly authorized the cruel master-slave relationship when he recommended whipping disobedient slaves (Luke 12:42–48).

Four other parables use slavery in a teaching context. They are also notable for their extreme violence, including murder, killing, and maiming. These are the Unmerciful Servant (Matthew 18:23–35), Wicked Tenants (Mark 12:1–9), Wedding Banquet (Matthew 22:2–14), and Talents/Minas (Luke 19:11–27) parables, which include brutal phraseology such as “delivered him to his torturers,” “cut him in two,” “cast him into outer darkness,” and “slay them before me.”

Interspersed with this disturbing language are three primary expressions of Christian imagery: the kingdom of god, the heavenly father, and the beloved son. The central figure is Jesus himself, and the consistent theme is that those who disobey him will spend eternity in hell.

It’s important to emphasize that Jefferson included all five of Jesus’s violent slave parables in his condensed version of Jesus’s life. Obviously, then, he knew that Jesus accepted slavery without reservations. Furthermore, Jesus fully endorsed the Ten Commandments for slave owners embedded in the Law, which address property rights of slaveholders, appropriate punishment for violations, and the right of slaves to fair treatment (Exodus 21:2, 3, 4, 5–6, 7–8, 9, 10–11, 20–21, 26–27, 32).

Also relevant is the fact that two of Jesus’s prominent apostles, Paul and Peter, declared that slaves are obligated by Christian faith and fear of God to obey their masters (Ephesians 6:5–9; 1 Timothy 6:1–4). Also, Peter said that it is commendable when slaves endure unjust suffering that is willed by God (1 Peter 2:18–21).

A critical question may be posed: Was Jefferson influenced by Jesus’s approval of slavery? It’s not unreasonable to answer in the affirmative. In fact, it would be difficult to fail to realize that Jesus didn’t consider slaveholding immoral.

Considering Jefferson’s rational perspective, it’s not surprising that two of Jesus’s miracles involving slaves were omitted from his summary: the healing of the centurion’s slave (Luke 7:1–10) and the restoration of the slave-boy Malchus’s ear (Luke 22:50–51; John 18:10).

In my copy of The Jefferson Bible, published by the Unitarian Universalist Association in 1989, neither Forrest Church in his introduction nor Jaroslav Pelikan in his afterword mentioned Jefferson’s ownership of slaves. This only became an issue recently in conjunction with disputes over Confederate memorials on public property, in which slavery has been conflated with charges of treason against Confederate generals.

In conclusion, let’s be fair to Jefferson by putting the subject of slaveholding in cultural and historical context, as is routinely done with Jesus’s behavior and teachings on subjects such as family values, interpersonal violence, and everlasting punishment. We can refrain from invoking contemporary political values when judging the third president’s life circumstances.

– Brian Bolton
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2021 01:57 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
And they live amongst us. Festering pockets of hate spreading vileness merely by their footsteps.

Yeah, no hate there..
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2021 02:01 pm
@Leadfoot,
Stop whining.

You’ve seen how they operate, they come on here just to insult and attack, there’s no discussion on how to live a decent life, nothing like that.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2021 06:41 pm
@izzythepush,
Apparently not everyone finds crazed furious religious zealots a problem.
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The Anointed
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2021 08:01 pm
@izzythepush,
For those who wish to reveal to you biblically ignorant foul mouthed insult hurling atheists, the Existence in the eternal creator of the cosmos, it would be a total waste of time to attempt to explain to them how the holy scriptures reveals the way one should live in order to gain everlasting life.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2021 10:32 pm
@The Anointed,
actually, reading scripture is like a Stephen King novel celebrating an incompetent petulant god whose own ego is bruised and causes it to be quite unsure of itself.

evidence is all you need to take a bad narrative and turn it into a bad reality.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2021 11:59 pm
@The Anointed,
nuts to you
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The Anointed
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2021 12:04 am
@farmerman,
Ah, you poor atheist ignoramus's, all have sinned and all must pay the penalty for the sins of their flesh, all must die the first death then go off into judgement.

The following is not for you foul mouthed insult hurling atheists, who are blind to the truth, and wish to remain blind, terrified at seeing the faith in their ignorant belief shattered. But for the truth seekers who browse these forums.

Just as mankind developed within the bodies of our animal ancestors, so too, 'The Son of Man' is currently, according to our erroneous concept of one directional linear time, still developing with in the great pregnant androgynous body of EVE= mankind, and is not born as a free spirit until the body in which HE develops, is returned to the elements from which it originated.

All those terrible things that you blame on an incompetent petulant god, were committed by man long before, the only child that can justify the life of the woman that bore HIM, had died, (Gen 3: 15; And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”) It is after the rib of Adam has been reunited to her Lord, that the umbilic cord that binds him to the mother body is severed, that he descends from his heights in time, and takes on the sins of the past, by commanding the body in which he developed to do what had been done.

This is why Eve asked her dying brother husband. who died at the age of 930 on the day that he ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that day of one thousand years, when she would follow him, and she was told that she would be reunited with him in six days, which is at the close of the great Sabbath of one thousand years, the day of the Lord, of which day, the weekly sabbath was but a shadow of the coming reality. (Colossians 2: 18; "So let no one make rules about what you eat or drink or about holy days or the New Moon Festival or the Sabbath. 17All such things are only a shadow of things in the future; etc.")

Jubilees 4: 30; And he (ADAM) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: 'On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die.' For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.

After Adam had died, the Lord commanded Michael to show Seth how the bodies of men should be prepared for burial. The body of Adam was then placed in a stone sarcophagus and Michael was commanded to place it in the manmade mountain, where the door opens to receive the chest of Adam, in order that no one could interfere with his well preserved body until his rib will have returned to him.

Zephaniah 1: 2-3; The LORD said, “I am going to destroy everything on earth, all human beings and animals, birds and fish. I will bring about the downfall of the wicked. I will destroy the whole human race, and no survivors will be left. I, the LORD, have spoken.

Verse 18; On the day when the LORD shows his fury, not even all their silver and gold will save them. The whole earth will be destroyed by the fire of his anger. He will put an end — a sudden end — to everyone who lives on earth.

Everyone who lives on earth, being the operative sentence.

We shall not all fall asleep in death, but at the sound of the Last trumpet, we shall be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, from bodies of corruptible matter into glorious bodies of incorruptible light.

Revelation 20: 7-9; After the thousand years are over, Satan will be let loose from his prison, and he will go out to deceive the nations scattered over the whole world, that is, Gog and Magog. Satan will bring them all together for battle, as many as the grains of sand on the seashore. 9They spread out over the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people and the city that he loves. But fire came down from heaven and destroyed 'THEM'.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2021 01:34 am
@The Anointed,
Ignorant people don’t understand what ignore means.

You say you’re going to do something then you do the opposite.

That’s your god of lies and hate for you, one whose worshippers are so stupid they buy dog ****.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2021 02:24 am
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:

For those who wish to reveal to you biblically ignorant foul mouthed insult hurling atheists, the Existence in the eternal creator of the cosmos, it would be a total waste of time to attempt to explain to them how the holy scriptures reveals the way one should live in order to gain everlasting life.


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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2021 02:25 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

actually, reading scripture is like a Stephen King novel celebrating an incompetent petulant god whose own ego is bruised and causes it to be quite unsure of itself.

evidence is all you need to take a bad narrative and turn it into a bad reality.


Excuse the expression, but...

...AMEN!
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Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2021 02:53 am
@The Anointed,
Don't ACTIONS speak louder than words/evidences/definitive proof?......why does anyone think that JUST believing that God exists or doesn't exist is the main issue?

From an atheistic view it would appear that it doesn't matter.
From a theistic view it would appear that it doesn't matter either according to...

James 2:19 19...You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder.




The Anointed
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2021 03:01 am
@Jasper10,
Correct! The demons have more sense than the atheists. The demons know that God exists and they know their ultimate fate and they shudder and tremble at the thought of it.
 

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