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Why do you suppose Jesus never condemned slavery?

 
 
hightor
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jul, 2021 08:31 am
It's very possible that Jesus did condemn slavery but the authoritarians who compiled, selected, and edited the writings about him years after his death made sure his disapproval of the practice never made it into the canon.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2021 01:08 pm
@Frank Apisa,
You are making that assumption if you are the OP. If not, I apologize.

The OP assumes Jesus never condemned slavery. But none of were there, and only some of Jesus's words are written. That is very much an assumption.

But Jesus's actual words are this:
Quote:
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’


Captives aren't only prisoners. Jesus instructed people to care for those who are enslaved.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2021 01:46 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:

You are making that assumption if you are the OP. If not, I apologize.


I am the OP...and fairly early on in the thread I changed it from "Why do you suppose Jesus never condemned slavery?" to something more akin to, "Why do you suppose it is not recorded that Jesus ever condemned slavery?" Obviously, he might have done so...and it was not reported. BUT SINCE THE GOD HE WORSHIPED SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH SLAVERY AT ALL...it does seem unlikely that he would say the god was wrong.

Quote:
The OP assumes Jesus never condemned slavery. But none of were there, and only some of Jesus's words are written. That is very much an assumption.

But Jesus's actual words are this:
Quote:
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’


Captives aren't only prisoners. Jesus instructed people to care for those who are enslaved.



Yes...that was reported. BUT HE DID NOT CONDEMN SLAVERY...or at least it was not reported that he did.

Which is what I said...right?
The Anointed
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2021 03:19 pm
@hightor,
Oh you shouldn't say anything bad about the Roman church of Emperor Constantine and it's worthless shepherd the Pope, you might upset poor old Frank.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jul, 2021 06:23 pm
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:


Oh you shouldn't say anything bad about the Roman church of Emperor Constantine and it's worthless shepherd the Pope, you might upset poor old Frank.


Nothing anyone says about the Catholic Church bothers me...if it is true. I often have lots negative to say about it.

I just don't like people like you lying about faults...when there are so many real ones to choose from.

But...LIARS LIE! So I guess you have got to do it.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2021 03:07 am
@Frank Apisa,
Please reveal that which you, who are a biblical ignoramus, erroneously believe that I have lied about the Roman church of Emperor Constantine.

And please don't repeat your ridiculous lying Statement that the popes have never claimed to be God/Jesus on earth. Be a man for once and admit that you have been deceived by the scripture twisting theologians of that worthless shepherd that God raised up in the land to guide his stubborn flock, after he had filled the man Jesus with his spirit, was offered the majestic wage of thirty pieces of silver, as prophesied in Zechariah 11: 12 t0 17.

Zechariah 11:12-17; King James Version: 12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. 13 And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord. 14 Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel. 15 And the Lord said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd. 16 For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces. 17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.

Do you know of any organisation that has risen up in the land after the Jews were driven from their homeland, who claims to be the shepherd of God's people?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2021 03:41 am
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:


Please reveal that which you, who are a biblical ignoramus, erroneously believe that I have lied about the Roman church of Emperor Constantine.

And please don't repeat your ridiculous lying Statement that the popes have never claimed to be God/Jesus on earth. Be a man for once and admit that you have been deceived by the scripture twisting theologians of that worthless shepherd that God raised up in the land to guide his stubborn flock, after he had filled the man Jesus with his spirit, was offered the majestic wage of thirty pieces of silver, as prophesied in Zechariah 11: 12 t0 17.

Zechariah 11:12-17; King James Version: 12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. 13 And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord. 14 Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel. 15 And the Lord said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd. 16 For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces. 17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.

Do you know of any organisation that has risen up in the land after the Jews were driven from their homeland, who claims to be the shepherd of God's people?


You are so full of ****, it is a wonder you are able to stand your own smell.

But as I have mentioned several times...you are useful...VERY USEFUL.

You show the hypocritical side of religion about as clearly as it is possible to show it.

Thank you for that. I love you for it.

Laughing
The Anointed
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2021 04:00 am
@Frank Apisa,
There you go, you, who are a biblical ignoramus, and who erroneously believe that I have lied about the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, now, by not being able to reveal anywhere that I have lied, are left to resort to your filthy insults.

But that's about all that can be expected from biblical ignorant atheists,
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2021 04:24 am
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:

There you go, you, who are a biblical ignoramus, and who erroneously believe that I have lied about the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, now, by not being able to reveal anywhere that I have lied, are left to resort to your filthy insults.

But that's about all that can be expected from biblical ignorant atheists,


You lied when you said that the Catholic Church teaches (or ever taught) that the Pope is Jesus Christ in the flesh.

The Catholic Church has NEVER, EVER taught that the Pope is Jesus Christ in the flesh.

But, lying is your specialty. Which is the reason I say that you are of great use to those of us who see the danger to society in "religion."

Keep up the good work. We'll keep cheering you on.

https://i.gifer.com/OHOp.gif
The Anointed
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2021 04:38 am
@Frank Apisa,
Please do keep cheering me one and bringing back to this subject, where I prove conclusively that you lie by saying that the popes did not claim to be God on earth and as they believe that the man Jesus was their God, they were in fact claiming to be Jesus in the flesh.

So let me here repeat once again,

It was Pope Leo X who made the most infamous and damaging statement about their form of Christianity in the history of the Church. His declaration revealed to the world papal knowledge of the Vatican's false presentation of Jesus Christ and unashamedly exposed the puerile nature of their Christian religion. At a lavish Good Friday banquet in the Vatican in 1514, and in the company of "seven intimates" (Annales Ecclesiastici, Caesar Baronius, Folio Antwerp, 1597, tome 14), Leo made an amazing announcement that the Church has since tried hard to invalidate.

Raising a chalice of wine into the air, Pope Leo toasted: "HOW WELL WE KNOW WHAT A PROFITABLE SUPERSTITION THIS FABLE OF CHRIST HAS BEEN FOR US AND OUR PREDECESSORS."

The pope's pronouncement is recorded in the diaries and records of both Pietro Cardinal Bembo (Letters and Comments on Pope Leo X, 1842 reprint) and Paolo Cardinal Giovio (De Vita Leonis Decimi, , op. cit.), two associates 'WHO WERE WITNESSES TO IT' it.

Caesar (Cardinal) Baronius (1538-1607) was Vatican librarian for seven years and wrote a 12-volume history of the Church, known as Annales Ecclesiastici. He was the Church's most outstanding historian (Catholic Encyclopedia, New Edition, 1976, ii, p. 105) and his records provide vital inside information for anybody studying the rich depth of falsification in the Roman churches form of their so-called christianity.

Cardinal Baronius, who turned down two offers to become pope in 1605, added the following comments about Pope Leo's declaration: "The Pontiff has been accused of atheism, for he denied God and called Christ, in front of cardinals Pietro Bembo, Jovius and Iacopo Sadoleto and other intimates, 'a fable' , it must be corrected".
(Annales Ecclesiastici, op. cit., tomes viii and xi)

In an early edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia (Pecci ed., iii, pp. 312-314, passim), the Church devoted two-and-half pages in an attempt to nullify the most destructive statement ever made by the head of their form of Christianity. It based the essence of its argument on the assumption that what the pope meant by "profitable" was "gainful", and "fable" was intended to mean "tradition".

Hence, confused Catholic theologians argued that what the pope really meant was, "HOW WELL CHRISTIANS HAVE GAINED FROM THIS WONDERFUL TRADITION OF CHRIST". What a load of Crap came out of the mouths of those scripture twisters from the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, they changed pope Leo’s words, which were, "How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us and our predecessors." To "HOW WELL CHRISTIANS HAVE GAINED FROM THIS WONDERFUL TRADITION OF CHRIST".

And there are poor suckers around like yourself, who actually believe those Roman scripture twisters.

I defend the words of the Lord as spoken through his faithful servant, the man Jesus, against those ‘Scripture Twisters,' while you defend them. You poor soul.

Here’s another declaration from one of the popes whose ring, just like his bishops, you would love to kiss.

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." (Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous) "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical."

And we know what the scripture twisting theologians of the Roman church of Emperor (Saint) Constantine have done with that also, don’t we?

When are you going to man up and acknowledge that you have been totally deceived, by those liars? and not reveal yourself to all who follow this thread also, to be the sniveling coward that you are, too gutless to admit your error

izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2021 04:55 am
@Frank Apisa,
Like I said he’s on the rinse and repeat cycle because he has nothing else.

He started with the insults and because he does not have the courage to admit he was wrong about the pope being Jesus he goes for the wall of text approach which has to be the most discredited mode of arguing going.

If you can’t point something out in a piece of text either it’s not there or you lack the wherewithal to find it.

It’s what really low ability kids do, they’ll make a very general point with nothing specific to back it up, just pages of text, expecting the teacher/examiner to do their work for them.

It’s what I call the it’s in there somewhere approach.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2021 04:58 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:


Like I said he’s on the rinse and repeat cycle because he has nothing else.

He started with the insults and because he does not have the courage to admit he was wrong about the pope being Jesus he goes for the wall of text approach which has to be the most discredited mode of arguing going.

If you can’t point something out in a piece of text either it’s not there or you lack the wherewithal to find it.

It’s what really low ability kids do, they’ll make a very general point with nothing specific to back it up, just pages of text, expecting the teacher/examiner to do their work for them.

It’s what I call the it’s in there somewhere approach.


He is an idiot...but he is a useful idiot.

The Russians used useful idiots, like Trump, for their greater good.

We should use useful idiots like this guy for our greater good.

He truly is fun to laugh at!
NSFW (view)
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2021 05:05 am
Oh, yeah...per your request:

https://media0.giphy.com/media/humidv0MqqdO5ZoYhn/200.gif
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The Anointed
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2021 05:18 am
@Frank Apisa,
But the only ones who are pretending to laugh old mate. is your biblical ignorant atheist mates who stick their thumbs for you.

But do continue to laugh, because I know who will have the last laugh.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2021 05:41 am
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:

But the only ones who are pretending to laugh old mate. is your biblical ignorant atheist mates who stick their thumbs for you.


I think there are people laughing at you who understand the Bible better than you. But if it makes you feel comfortable to think otherwise...think it. I want you to be as comfortable as possible here.

You are doing our bidding!

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But do continue to laugh, because I know who will have the last laugh.


Oh, yeah. You "know" lots of stuff you do not know.

https://i.gifer.com/9ph3.gif


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PoutyCat
 
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Reply Sun 1 Aug, 2021 03:43 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Why did Jesus never condemn slavery?
Well, besides the fact that one in the Bible never existed, if one looks at what Jews believe of themselves they'll soon learn the answer as to why the OT promoted slavery. Except for one caveat. One could not own a slave from one's own tribe.

Per the Gentiles, or, "Goy" (the equivalent term for animal), according to the Jewish tradition we non-Jews are going to be the servants of the Jews when their Messiah comes.
Fellow Jews were indentured servants, (like today's American tax payer. We let the government whose authority and offices print the fiat note, "federal reserve note", distribute it into our society, and value it, so that we the working class tax payer can then say we're making a "legal living". ) ,
meaning when they were enslaved they were paying off their debt.
Other slaves were members of tribes conquered during war time.

In point of fact the slaves of Africa were that. POW's captured after tribal wars by the victor tribe. Typically they were killed or used as slaves. Then traders arrived on the continent and paid the conqueror tribes for those POW's.
In the manifest history of all ships that trafficked in slaves, and all races are enslaved somewhere in the world today, only 4% were sold to North America. (USA)
The majority of slaves were sold to......Brazil.

P.S the way some of you all comport yourselves with one another, you appear to need Jesus. Not know Jesus.
Young. Very, very young.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Sun 1 Aug, 2021 10:23 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Backpedaling.

The mark of someone who who knows they are speaking a lie, but want to make it appear more palatable because they are pushing agenda. Usually BLM or some other Marxist false-equality group.

https://billygraham.org/story/4-things-the-bible-says-about-freedom/

1. A majority of the Bible addresses the slavery issue. What, you think because they mention it, they condone it? Oh? Then why is Exodus bitter complaining about both child sacrifice (which we later disguise as still in use by saying that what we are doing is really only "abortion", or a Mother's Right to Choose, a Satanic acronym (MO-R'-CH --> MOLECH) and slavery. Very early on, and very clearly, the Bible makes the case for true freedom, not the false freedom from slavery of the world, but the understanding that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with rights. If you really cared about this, this article would have been solved before page 30. Instead, it's over 100 pages and we're still griefing about this. This problem will not be solved because the OP legitimately doesn't want it solved. They don't want blacks and whites to live together "based on content of their character", as MLK proposed. They don't want the black people "pulling themselves up by their bootstraps" as Booker T Washington proposed. They want endless victimhood complex about how Christianity never did anything to help, in effect behaving as Accuser. Well, not only did the Bible address slavery in the past, it led up to the very mindset that inspired abolitionism. Romans saw nothing wrong with slavery. Nor did the Greeks. Nor did the Babylonians. Nor did the Indians (what Untouchables basically are). Nor did Native Americans (see below). Nor do the Muslims (see below)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_among_Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
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Some Native American tribes held war captives as slaves prior to and during European colonization. Some Native Americans were captured and sold by others into slavery to Europeans, while others were captured and sold by Europeans themselves.

https://gellerreport.com/2020/06/black-slavery-exists-today-in-muslim-nations.html/
But European Christians and Jews ended slavery in their part of the world. Why are they paying reparations? Why aren't the Muslims? The Greeks? The Romans? The Native Americans? The Indians? And while we're at it, where are white people's reparations for being enslaved?

But none of this is helpful. The real point is right from the get-go, the Bible condemns slavery, and at best accepts that it is still part of life at the time. But they very much make the point that it is meet and right to put an end to such injustice.
2. Jesus comes to fulfill the prophecy here:
Quote:
‘The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.’

Are the enslaved not captive? Are they not oppressed?

But there are other ways to be enslaved than simply working for nothing. Jesus made the distinction. You can be enslaved to fear. I saw this, plain as day, during COVID. Regular people refused to go anywhere, preferring to "be safe" until it meant their eviction or death from easily treatable lack of exercise. You can be enslaved by feelings of victimhood. You can be enslaved by your own habits and addictions ("sin"). You can be enslaved by an abuser. Jesus came for these people. Jesus healed all sorts of people, free and slave, Romans and Samaritans. In fact, Luke 7 mentions him specifically healing the slave of a Roman centurion.
Quote:
2 Now a [Roman] [a]centurion’s slave, who was highly regarded by him, was sick and on the verge of death. 3 When the centurion heard about Jesus, he sent some Jewish elders to Him, asking Him to come and save the life of his slave. 4 When they reached Jesus, they pleaded with Him earnestly [to come], saying, “He is worthy for You to do this for him, 5 because he loves our nation and he built us our synagogue [at his own expense].” 6 And Jesus went with them. But when He was near the house, the centurion sent friends to Him, saying, “Lord, do not trouble Yourself further, for I am not worthy for You to come under my roof. 7 Therefore I did not even consider myself worthy to come to You. But just speak a word, and my slave will be healed. 8 For I also am a man subject to authority, with soldiers under me; and I say to this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes, and to my slave, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 9 Now when Jesus heard this, He was amazed at him, and turned and said to the crowd that was following Him, “I say to you, not even in Israel have I found such great faith [as this man’s].” 10 When the messengers who had been sent returned to the house, they found the slave in good health.


If you still say Jesus didn't act against slavery, the answer is clear. He didn't see any racial distinctions, sex distinctions, or free/slave distinctions at all. Maybe the problem is you?
3. Jesus came to free us from something even more enslaving than slavery. Death itself.
4. Jesus came to us to give us our free will. This was at a time when the Jewish people were actually serving two masters, Rome and the Jewish priesthood. The Jewish priesthood had such burdensome laws that many people were declared sinners and treated as such until they could pay off their debt (this is what reading btwn the lines about the moneychangers tells you). And of course, the crazy high taxes of Rome. Jesus basically gave them a third option of being able to ignore both through peaceful disobedience. Eventually, Rome fell and though Nazis or whatever else have tried to renew the oppression, people for the most part live their lives as they want.

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From cover to cover, God’s Word points to freedom in Christ. And God doesn’t leave us wondering how to grab hold of the freedom He offers. It starts with acknowledging our brokenness—and admitting we are slaves to sin.


You can only become free when you see your actual chains. Part of this involves understanding that gimmicky things like "free medicine" and "free education" aren't free because sooner or later someone pays. Even if you don't pay in taxes, they now expect you to vote for them. And voting means more government rules and less freedom.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/02/liberals_demand_we_stop_using_the_word_slave_to_describe_slavery.html

Liberals are offended by the word slave because it tells the truth about what slavery is.

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On the one hand, liberals like talking about slavery because it shows how evil white people were (are) and how virtuous minorities were (are). But on the other hand, slavery makes black people look weak. You can't imagine a Black Panther being a slave, can you? So liberals are torn by the desire to portray blacks as victims, 150 years after slavery was abolished, and the desire to portray them as strong and bold (at all times in history). Hence the cognitive dissonance over "slave."

Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2021 02:32 am
@PoutyCat,
PoutyCat wrote:


Why did Jesus never condemn slavery?
Well, besides the fact that one in the Bible never existed, if one looks at what Jews believe of themselves they'll soon learn the answer as to why the OT promoted slavery. Except for one caveat. One could not own a slave from one's own tribe.

Per the Gentiles, or, "Goy" (the equivalent term for animal), according to the Jewish tradition we non-Jews are going to be the servants of the Jews when their Messiah comes.
Fellow Jews were indentured servants, (like today's American tax payer. We let the government whose authority and offices print the fiat note, "federal reserve note", distribute it into our society, and value it, so that we the working class tax payer can then say we're making a "legal living". ) ,
meaning when they were enslaved they were paying off their debt.
Other slaves were members of tribes conquered during war time.

In point of fact the slaves of Africa were that. POW's captured after tribal wars by the victor tribe. Typically they were killed or used as slaves. Then traders arrived on the continent and paid the conqueror tribes for those POW's.
In the manifest history of all ships that trafficked in slaves, and all races are enslaved somewhere in the world today, only 4% were sold to North America. (USA)
The majority of slaves were sold to......Brazil.

P.S the way some of you all comport yourselves with one another, you appear to need Jesus. Not know Jesus.
Young. Very, very young.


Sorry, I thought you were going to deal with the question of, "Why did Jesus not condemn slavery?"

You never did.

I am not young...or very young.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2021 02:34 am
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:


Backpedaling.

The mark of someone who who knows they are speaking a lie, but want to make it appear more palatable because they are pushing agenda. Usually BLM or some other Marxist false-equality group.

https://billygraham.org/story/4-things-the-bible-says-about-freedom/

1. A majority of the Bible addresses the slavery issue. What, you think because they mention it, they condone it? Oh? Then why is Exodus bitter complaining about both child sacrifice (which we later disguise as still in use by saying that what we are doing is really only "abortion", or a Mother's Right to Choose, a Satanic acronym (MO-R'-CH --> MOLECH) and slavery. Very early on, and very clearly, the Bible makes the case for true freedom, not the false freedom from slavery of the world, but the understanding that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with rights. If you really cared about this, this article would have been solved before page 30. Instead, it's over 100 pages and we're still griefing about this. This problem will not be solved because the OP legitimately doesn't want it solved. They don't want blacks and whites to live together "based on content of their character", as MLK proposed. They don't want the black people "pulling themselves up by their bootstraps" as Booker T Washington proposed. They want endless victimhood complex about how Christianity never did anything to help, in effect behaving as Accuser. Well, not only did the Bible address slavery in the past, it led up to the very mindset that inspired abolitionism. Romans saw nothing wrong with slavery. Nor did the Greeks. Nor did the Babylonians. Nor did the Indians (what Untouchables basically are). Nor did Native Americans (see below). Nor do the Muslims (see below)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_among_Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
Quote:
Some Native American tribes held war captives as slaves prior to and during European colonization. Some Native Americans were captured and sold by others into slavery to Europeans, while others were captured and sold by Europeans themselves.

https://gellerreport.com/2020/06/black-slavery-exists-today-in-muslim-nations.html/
But European Christians and Jews ended slavery in their part of the world. Why are they paying reparations? Why aren't the Muslims? The Greeks? The Romans? The Native Americans? The Indians? And while we're at it, where are white people's reparations for being enslaved?

But none of this is helpful. The real point is right from the get-go, the Bible condemns slavery, and at best accepts that it is still part of life at the time. But they very much make the point that it is meet and right to put an end to such injustice.
2. Jesus comes to fulfill the prophecy here:
Quote:
‘The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.’

Are the enslaved not captive? Are they not oppressed?

But there are other ways to be enslaved than simply working for nothing. Jesus made the distinction. You can be enslaved to fear. I saw this, plain as day, during COVID. Regular people refused to go anywhere, preferring to "be safe" until it meant their eviction or death from easily treatable lack of exercise. You can be enslaved by feelings of victimhood. You can be enslaved by your own habits and addictions ("sin"). You can be enslaved by an abuser. Jesus came for these people. Jesus healed all sorts of people, free and slave, Romans and Samaritans. In fact, Luke 7 mentions him specifically healing the slave of a Roman centurion.
Quote:
2 Now a [Roman] [a]centurion’s slave, who was highly regarded by him, was sick and on the verge of death. 3 When the centurion heard about Jesus, he sent some Jewish elders to Him, asking Him to come and save the life of his slave. 4 When they reached Jesus, they pleaded with Him earnestly [to come], saying, “He is worthy for You to do this for him, 5 because he loves our nation and he built us our synagogue [at his own expense].” 6 And Jesus went with them. But when He was near the house, the centurion sent friends to Him, saying, “Lord, do not trouble Yourself further, for I am not worthy for You to come under my roof. 7 Therefore I did not even consider myself worthy to come to You. But just speak a word, and my slave will be healed. 8 For I also am a man subject to authority, with soldiers under me; and I say to this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes, and to my slave, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 9 Now when Jesus heard this, He was amazed at him, and turned and said to the crowd that was following Him, “I say to you, not even in Israel have I found such great faith [as this man’s].” 10 When the messengers who had been sent returned to the house, they found the slave in good health.


If you still say Jesus didn't act against slavery, the answer is clear. He didn't see any racial distinctions, sex distinctions, or free/slave distinctions at all. Maybe the problem is you?
3. Jesus came to free us from something even more enslaving than slavery. Death itself.
4. Jesus came to us to give us our free will. This was at a time when the Jewish people were actually serving two masters, Rome and the Jewish priesthood. The Jewish priesthood had such burdensome laws that many people were declared sinners and treated as such until they could pay off their debt (this is what reading btwn the lines about the moneychangers tells you). And of course, the crazy high taxes of Rome. Jesus basically gave them a third option of being able to ignore both through peaceful disobedience. Eventually, Rome fell and though Nazis or whatever else have tried to renew the oppression, people for the most part live their lives as they want.

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From cover to cover, God’s Word points to freedom in Christ. And God doesn’t leave us wondering how to grab hold of the freedom He offers. It starts with acknowledging our brokenness—and admitting we are slaves to sin.


You can only become free when you see your actual chains. Part of this involves understanding that gimmicky things like "free medicine" and "free education" aren't free because sooner or later someone pays. Even if you don't pay in taxes, they now expect you to vote for them. And voting means more government rules and less freedom.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/02/liberals_demand_we_stop_using_the_word_slave_to_describe_slavery.html

Liberals are offended by the word slave because it tells the truth about what slavery is.

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On the one hand, liberals like talking about slavery because it shows how evil white people were (are) and how virtuous minorities were (are). But on the other hand, slavery makes black people look weak. You can't imagine a Black Panther being a slave, can you? So liberals are torn by the desire to portray blacks as victims, 150 years after slavery was abolished, and the desire to portray them as strong and bold (at all times in history). Hence the cognitive dissonance over "slave."




So you cannot answer the question either.

Okay. But the answer is easy.

The god Jesus worshiped said there is nothing wrong with slavery.

Why would Jesus condemn it?
 

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