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Justice? I dont believe in Justice.

 
 
Reply Thu 8 Sep, 2011 04:21 pm
There is no justice. It's always unfair.
 
JLNobody
 
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Reply Thu 8 Sep, 2011 06:29 pm
@hamilton,
Well, that's not fair!
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Thu 8 Sep, 2011 06:34 pm
@hamilton,
You remind me of the time I asked a friend, "Do you believe in seat belt use?" and he answered: "Believe in it? I've actually seen it done!"
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Thu 8 Sep, 2011 07:03 pm
But, seriously . . .Fairness is a subjective standard. What you see as "unfair" might seem to be very fair indeed to someone else. If I were to bring a lawsuit against you and won, you'd say it wasn't fair. I would certainly disagree with you.
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2011 05:15 am
@hamilton,
Well, that's unfair to the millions of people working with justice worldwide.
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2011 12:06 pm
@hamilton,
and the alternative is what?
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fresco
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2011 12:33 pm
@hamilton,
Code:Justice? I dont believe in Justice.


This is another of your one-liners waiting for a bite !

Kuvasz is correct. Social reality demands a decision procedure for handling dissenters to contemporary norms (aka "laws"). Whether we call any specific decision "just" or not is a personal or contextual matter which has little impact on the concept of calling the decision infrastructure per se "the justice system".

For further "learned discussion" we might not do much worse than refer to the Star Trek episode in which Wesley is sentenced to death for walking on the grass. Bring on the Prime Directive !
(BTW Wesley deserved to die for being so annoying)
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2011 12:37 pm
@hamilton,
I had high hopes for Justice but even though Dave Justice did get two world series rings and he only got one while he played for the Atlanta Braves, he could have been a Hall of Famer!
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2011 07:53 pm
@fresco,
I'm sure Picard would agree.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2011 10:07 pm
@JLNobody,
Who does n´t ? irritating scout boy...
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2011 01:29 pm
@hamilton,
Quote:
There is no justice. It's always unfair.


Another point of view!


Jackofalltrades phil
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2011 01:11 pm
@reasoning logic,
Justice............. hmmmm

....... i was struggling to find the meaning of the word to me, and how do i relate to it......when suddenly i thought of my dictionary {....brilliant act, isn't it? :-)).... }....... and lucky to find it on my table. I find that its a noun. Oh my God,..... for a person who is pretending to be a philosopher, it was unpardonable on my part not to know that the word is a simple noun. The same page and the same dictionary, just a para above teaches me about the word just. Just could mean 'right' and 'fair'.......... just as simple as that. The last 'just' is turning out to be more difficult to get its meaning across, as it seems to me a kind of figure of speech.

anyway........... 'Justice' the word is a noun, and i am glad it is. Justice is therefore, a subjective notion. It is a description. Description of a notion. A notion of what. Of emotion, i think........ say like love, hate, compassion, anger etc. ...... ahh, i know,.....zzsssss..... nothing brilliant here.

This may mean that my sense of justice will vary with someone else' sense of the term. Therefore, it may be considered, at times, unfair. You see, one man's joy is another man's agony. One's victory is anothers sorrow.....u see.

But and hence, there is no question of not believing in it. It is and appears to be an inherent fact. It is no doubt an emotional response. Justice is a strange obsession of mankind. It also costs a lot. My question is, is the pursuit of justice, rational.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2011 04:50 pm
@Jackofalltrades phil,
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My question is, is the pursuit of justice, rational.



I guess that would determine what kind of world you would like to live in. Would you like to live in a world that suppresses you or one that is less suppressive and for equality? I do know that these words are subjective them selves but it is a cause we can strive for or not.

Quote:
It is no doubt an emotional response.
I think that justice is better approached in a non emotional way if possible.
djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2011 05:10 pm
@hamilton,
perhaps a certain Mr. V had the right idea

[V is talking to the statue of Madame Justice atop the Old Bailey]

V: Hello, dear lady. A lovely evening, is it not? Forgive me for intruding, perhaps you were intending to take a stroll, perhaps you were merely enjoying the view. No matter, I thought that it was time we had a little chat, you and I. Ahh... I was forgetting that we are not properly introduced. I do not have a name. You can call me V. Madame Justice, this is V. V, this is Madame Justice. Hello, Madame Justice.

V: [as Madame Justice] Good evening, V.

V: There, now we know each other. Actually, I've been a fan of yours for quite some time. Oh, I know what you're thinking... "The poor boy has a crush on me... an adolescent infatuation". I beg your pardon, Madame. It isn't like that at all. I've long admired you... Albeit only from a distance. I used to stare at you from the streets below when I was a child. I'd say to my father "Who is that lady?" And he'd say "That's Madam Justice". And I'd say "Isn't she pretty?". Please don't think it was merely physical, I know you're not that sort of girl. No, I loved you as a person, as an ideal. That was a long time ago, I'm afraid there's someone else now...

"Madame Justice": What? V! For shame! You have betrayed me for some harlot, some vain and pouting hussy with painted lips and a knowing smile!

V: I, Madame? I beg to differ! It was your infidelity that drove me to her arms! Ah-ha! That surprised you, didn't it! You thought I didn't know about your little fling, but I do! I know everything! Frankly, I wasn't surprised when I found out. You always did have an eye for a man in uniform.

"Madame Justice": Uniform? Why, I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about. It was always you, V. You were the only one...

V: Liar! Slut! Whore! Deny that you let him have his way with you, him with his armbands and jackboots! Well? Cat got your tongue? I thought as much. Very well. So you stand revealed at last, you are no longer my Justice. You are his Justice now, you have bedded another. Well, two can play at that game!

"Madame Justice": Sob! Choke! Wh-Who is she, V? What is her name?

V: Her name is Anarchy. And she has taught me more as a Mistress than you ever did! She has taught me that Justice is meaningless without Freedom. She is honest, she makes no promises and breaks none. Unlike you, Jezebel. I used to wonder why you could never look me in the eye. Now I know. So goodbye, dear Lady. I would be saddened by our parting, even now, save that you are no longer the woman that I once loved. Here is a final gift. I leave it at your feet.

[V leaves a small heart-shaped chocolate box at the statue's feet. As V walks away, the box explodes, destroying the Old Bailey and the statue]

V: The flames of Freedom, how lovely, how just. Ahh, my precious Anarchy... "O beauty, 'til now I never knew thee".
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2011 05:20 pm
@djjd62,
That was nice I have never heard it before!
djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2011 05:22 pm
@reasoning logic,
it's from the comic book version of V for Vendetta
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Jackofalltrades phil
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 06:49 am
@reasoning logic,
Yes, you are right...... that justice is a natural cause to take, and even strive for it.
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