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What do you know about humanity?

 
 
Fido
 
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Reply Wed 31 Aug, 2011 07:19 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:

...that does not reply to my objection at all...this meaning that divisions obviously have X depth and scope and cannot be absolute divisions at all...turning the transcendental into the into the transcendent is not an option for me either.
Whatever can be divided has a limited extension, and yet that in turn does n´t mean that there are n´t useful and quite functional processes of individualization which may apply to specific contexts...in fact the reason why I don´t confuse myself with the background is precisely indicative of this ability humans have to distinguish real operational functions in different levels and layers of context.
We cannot divide one, any organic whole... We can divide two in half, and three by thirds... In fact, all numbers are in a certain ratio to each other and multiples of one... Humanity, if it is one as the single name suggests, and a concept, then it cannot really be divided, but only qualified...
igm
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 02:41 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fido wrote:

Fil Albuquerque wrote:

...that does not reply to my objection at all...this meaning that divisions obviously have X depth and scope and cannot be absolute divisions at all...turning the transcendental into the into the transcendent is not an option for me either.
Whatever can be divided has a limited extension, and yet that in turn does n´t mean that there are n´t useful and quite functional processes of individualization which may apply to specific contexts...in fact the reason why I don´t confuse myself with the background is precisely indicative of this ability humans have to distinguish real operational functions in different levels and layers of context.
We cannot divide one, any organic whole... We can divide two in half, and three by thirds... In fact, all numbers are in a certain ratio to each other and multiples of one... Humanity, if it is one as the single name suggests, and a concept, then it cannot really be divided, but only qualified...

To me Fido is correct. I’d look at it this way:

If I have two dogs and I divide them in two I still have two living dogs but if I divide one dog in two then I have a dead dog. Similarly, if I have two distinct concepts I can separate them without damaging the meaning of either but if I have one concept e.g. 'humanity' then if I try to divide that concept into more than one concept the meaning is also destroyed as it only has a single meaning.
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 04:51 am
Human is a species of monkey!
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 05:00 am
@Fido,
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Humanity, if it is one as the single name suggests, and a concept, then it cannot really be divided, but only qualified...


"Humanity" is the collective term for all the crap we come up with. Not to be confused with "the human species", which is, as I already said, a species of monkey.
And when were we truly united? Mostly, I think it was in the speeches of our leaders..
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Fido
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 05:50 am
@igm,
igm wrote:

Fido wrote:

Fil Albuquerque wrote:

...that does not reply to my objection at all...this meaning that divisions obviously have X depth and scope and cannot be absolute divisions at all...turning the transcendental into the into the transcendent is not an option for me either.
Whatever can be divided has a limited extension, and yet that in turn does n´t mean that there are n´t useful and quite functional processes of individualization which may apply to specific contexts...in fact the reason why I don´t confuse myself with the background is precisely indicative of this ability humans have to distinguish real operational functions in different levels and layers of context.
We cannot divide one, any organic whole... We can divide two in half, and three by thirds... In fact, all numbers are in a certain ratio to each other and multiples of one... Humanity, if it is one as the single name suggests, and a concept, then it cannot really be divided, but only qualified...

To me Fido is correct. I’d look at it this way:

If I have two dogs and I divide them in two I still have two living dogs but if I divide one dog in two then I have a dead dog. Similarly, if I have two distinct concepts I can separate them without damaging the meaning of either but if I have one concept e.g. 'humanity' then if I try to divide that concept into more than one concept the meaning is also destroyed as it only has a single meaning.

It is easy to qualify one dog as good and another as bad, or one as white and another black, but of concepts however qualified, no true division exists between them... All humans are humans... We let ourselves be divided by the superficial qualities of nature, or of culture...
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Fido
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 06:00 am
@Cyracuz,
Cyracuz wrote:

Human is a species of monkey!
Apes perhaps, but even Ape is not a Genus, and species are a class of a certain Genus... Anthropod???Simian??? Homonid is the Genus of which we are a species to my understanding...
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 06:24 am
@Fido,
Spacemonkeys Wink
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 07:04 am
@igm,
....lets see if we can clarify this further and out of confusion :

...there´s very obviously no possible union without previous separation nor separation without an implied union...certainly it can be seen that any of those terms alone is meaningless...

...I am not trying to divide humanity for the purpose or anything else but merely explaining the scope and depth of those words...

...you people get distracted all to often.

...for instance in light of the evolution process it certainly is true that any species members can be divided in between those who will survive longer and those who will get extinct immediately...

...vice and virtue, whatever is meant with it, is a sum of choices done in the entirety of one life that eventually reaches for a quotient, a critical mass of consequences...
igm
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 08:00 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:

....lets see if we can clarify this further and out of confusion :

...there´s very obviously no possible union without previous separation nor separation without an implied union...certainly it can be seen that any of those terms alone is meaningless...

...I am not trying to divide humanity for the purpose or anything else but merely explaining the scope and depth of those words...

...you people get distracted all to often.

...for instance in light of the evolution process it certainly is true that any species members can be divided in between those who will survive longer and those who will get extinct immediately...

...vice and virtue, whatever is meant with it, is a sum of choices done in the entirety of one life that eventually reaches for a quotient, a critical mass of consequences...

Ok, but I was just talking about - the noun word - 'humanity' being singular and not plural... simple as that really! Some of humanity can be understood as good, bad, poor, rich etc... but the noun 'humanity' is singular, that's all I was saying. The concepts associated with the word 'humanity' have to remain faithful to the fact that it is a singular noun.
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Fido
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2011 04:35 pm
@Cyracuz,
Cyracuz wrote:

Spacemonkeys Wink
Certainly so, if you count the space between our ears...
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2011 04:50 pm
@Fido,
....true...amounts to 99.9% and so on, of space in there...I can feel the vacuum energy flowing every time I write in the forum ! Laughing
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2011 07:44 pm
One thing unique to humanity, we're the only species that can turn sex into pornography.
Fido
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2011 02:38 pm
@JLNobody,
JLNobody wrote:

One thing unique to humanity, we're the only species that can turn sex into pornography.
I heard once that we are the only mammal without a penus bone... We get erections... All the rest have a fall back plan in case they get caught without their viagra...
igm
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2011 02:54 pm
@Fido,
lol ... but horses share that lack.
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north
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2011 03:28 pm

that we are better than our faults

it seems that we have to go through the growing pains of our intelligence to get to the point of having an attitude towards ourselves that is good
hamilton
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2011 05:50 pm
@north,
north wrote:


that we are better than our faults


of course we are! or else we would call them accomplishments!
north
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2011 06:00 pm
@hamilton,
hamilton wrote:

of course we are! or else we would call them accomplishments!


of course we are what ?
hamilton
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2011 06:02 pm
@north,
sorry. it's fixed now.
north
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2011 06:47 pm
@hamilton,
hamilton wrote:

sorry. it's fixed now.


fixed ?
hamilton
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2011 06:51 pm
@north,
north wrote:


that we are better than our faults


of course we are! or else we would call them accomplishments!
 

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