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Bullpup M14

 
 
H2O MAN
 
Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2011 09:39 pm
Not the best picture, but you can get a pretty good idea of what the 55 year old US main battle
rifle (MBR) looks like in a totally new and totally modern compact bullpup chassis stock looks like.

This one has a custom 20.0" stainless steel barrel, mine will utilize the 18.0" barrel found on the MK14 Mod 1.

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac160/The_H2O_MAN/MK14EBR-RI/EBR-KIT/M14HDW%20ROGUE/283243_10150253454448201_649593200_7488806_7800026_n.jpg?t=1311477628

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raprap
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2011 01:41 am
@H2O MAN,
Nice if you're right handed--useless to lefties. Problem is endemic to most military bullpups.

Rap
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2011 05:20 am
@raprap,
Lefties account for about 13% of the worlds population... maybe they should get together and design weapons for themselves or just learn to shoot right handed.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2011 06:21 am
@H2O MAN,
That said, I do believe a left hand friendly version of the M14 bullpup pictured above is going to be available in 6 months or so.
It will utilize a special deflector cover or something...
raprap
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2011 11:41 am
@H2O MAN,
Shell deflector would do nothing about the bolt digging into the cheek--and the shell deflector on the AR-15 threw them down the front of the BDU blouse unless you kept the top button closed.

BTW many lefties, like me, have a dominant left eye.

Oh and the Bullpup I've tried to shoot have a extremely short siteline--consequently they require a scope. Me I also prefer iron sites, mostly because scopes are so easy to knock out of alignment.

Rap
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2011 12:51 pm
@raprap,

I think you are referring to the handle on the op rod because the bolt is on top and it does not protrude.

You would definitely use optics as your primary sighting system and a set of flip-up BUIS in an emergency.

None of the modern military rifles or bullpup variants out there are left eye/hand friendly - it's not a priority.

You may want to consider Kel-Tec's RFB 7.62x51mm bullpup carbine, it is said to be leftie friendly.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jul, 2011 03:38 pm
@raprap,


Even though it's not mil-spec or battle proven, the Kel-Tec RFB 7.62x51mm bullpup carbine sounds like a winner for lefties and the price is not out of reach for most.

Check it out and let me know what you think.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 05:33 pm
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 2 Aug, 2011 08:09 am
http://www.athenswater.com/images/IMG_5625.JPG
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2011 05:49 am
UPDATE:

I put a low powered Leupold optic on my Rogue M14 a week ago

http://www.athenswater.com/images/H2OsRogue-1.JPG



After I zeroed it in I shot this 5 shot group.
I'm not comfortable shooting from a bench and that's probably why I pulled one shot to the right.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/Rogue-Group.JPG
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 06:53 am
http://www.athenswater.com/images/H2O-Rogue.jpg
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 07:18 am
@H2O MAN,
M14 is a very fine rifle; accurate.
In my opinion, the changes to the M1 were good changes.





David
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2011 08:42 am
The enhanced and modernized M14 is so much better (more accurate and reliable)
than the M1 Garand and traditional M14 of days gone by.

I am enjoying the MK14 in the bullpup configuration, but I don't think it's going to replace EBRs like this one.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/OFFSET.JPG

http://www.athenswater.com/images/LongRangeRig.JPG
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 03:50 pm
@H2O MAN,
The evolution of H2O's bullpup M14


My bullpup M14 conversion continues to evolve…

Configurations that I have tried:

I have used the my Mod 1 type SEI barreled action in this chassis, it has a light weight 18″ barrel.
I have used the my Mod 0 type SEI barreled action in this chassis, it has a sub MOA medium heavy weight 18″ barrel.
* The overall length of any 18.0″ barreled action equipped with a DC Vortex is 28.25″ in this chassis.
I have tried the Magpul AFG, Grip-pod, Tango down and Atlas bipods.
I tried TROY Micro folding battle sights… they are too short for this application.
The 29″ Blackhawk Homeland Security Discreet Case and 7.62mm hook &
loop 3 mag shingle that I purchased separately are perfect.

Optics:

I tried an XR308 from EOTech and a Leupold Mark 4 1.5-5x20mm MR/T with an offset MRDS.
* The offset MRDS is a total waste of time on this chassis, but it is awesome on my SAGE EBRs Smile

Modifications/Changes:

My first modification:

In an effort to improve the feel and usefulness of the factory trigger
pad I used the outline of my M14HDW.US V2 EBR trigger shoe and a file to
reshape the original trigger pad.
I was somewhat successful, but it could be better.

* Soon after I informed the manufacturer that I had modified my trigger
pad they quickly found a reason to initiate product improvement #2 and
lowered the trigger pad… I don’t know if they have rounded off the
sharp bottom edge though because the manufacturer is dragging there feet
about sending me some new replacement trigger pads Sad

* Also, I complied with an earlier request to distributors by the
manufacturer to swap out the rear brackets for new ones to solve some
fitment issues – mine fit fine, but I replaced it and the brackets on
stocks I have in inventory. This was product improvement #1 and it went
smoothly.

The next modifications:

After I addressed the trigger pad I focused my attention on mag changes.

I had a SADLAK tactical mag release installed.
IMHO, this is a must have item for all owners of this chassis…
reaching back and behind the mag body to release the mag is much easier
with the SADLAK part.
I also replaced the original pistol grip with a Magpul MIAD.
I have large hands and the grip change provides me with a bit more room to rock the mags in and out of the receiver.

More changes:

The CQB-16 barreled action that SEI built for me earlier this year is
now in my bullpup M14 chassis. It has a 16.25″ light weight barrel.
* The overall length of any 16.25″ barrel equipped with a DC Vortex or Comp is 27.75″ in this chassis.

Bullpup CQB-16 optics:

I am currently using the following mix of sighting kit.
Magpul MBUS – Gen II, LaRue Tactical LT608, Aimpoint CompC-2X 2MOA, EOTech FTS 3X magnifier – Gen II.
* The MBUS required some work with a file to fit… this was an easy modification.

Stay tuned, this compact blaster is growing on me fast and I have
completed additional modifications plus I’m currently working on more
modifications & upgrades for this chassis.

- H2O MAN

* I own several M14s with SAGE EBRs being my favorite and I understand
that it’s an odd niche that would ever consider converting an M14/M1A
into a bullpup.

Let me know if you fit into that odd niche, maybe I can help.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 09:51 pm
@H2O MAN,
That 's a nice piece.





David
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 06:05 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

That 's a nice piece.





David


Thanks, it's getting better.

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac160/The_H2O_MAN/MK14EBR-RI/CQB%2016/IMG_6528.jpg
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 12:09 pm
@H2O MAN,
I LIKE the bullpup concept,
but if it were me, I 'd prefer that vertical forend grip several inches forward, for better stability.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 12:13 pm

Where do u put your left hand,
when u jack in the first round ?
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2011 08:16 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
There is a left handed charging handle attached to the op rod.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 15 Nov, 2011 08:17 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

I LIKE the bullpup concept,
but if it were me, I 'd prefer that vertical forend grip several inches forward, for better stability.





David


Yep, I hadn't nailed down the exact location before taking the picture... it has moved forward a bit.
 

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