Are atheists being more illogical than agnostics?

People who don't have a real argument resort to ad hominem.

In college we learn how to make a thesis, to prove points and support our arguments.

In grade school, we learn to say "You're stupid" to people we don't wanna listen to.

Nice persuasive argument though.

This is an example of ad hominem.

It is all about personal failings, and nothing about what is wrong with the argument.

But you don't say, "I do not know if any gods exist." You say, "You cannot know (whatever the topic is, but usually about the existence of God)."

The first position is agnosticism. The second is conversionary skepticism. That is, not only do you believe there is no way for you to know (agnosticism) but you try to convert, or drag me into your assumptions.

Pro tip: Your assumptions end with you. You cannot make a single statement about me. Including whether or not I exist. You certainly can't tell me whether or not I can know about God. Maybe God talked to my adopted ex-brother. Maybe God just appeared on the street. Maybe I even found God on Facebook. (Btw, there is a God account on Facebook, but he's too leftist) You're just blind guessing, if you make any statements about someone who isn't you.

You typically also tell me that I'm blind guessing.

Which means,
"You don't know if there are any gods or God that exist..."
(basically all of those statements above)

When you use a loaded phrase like that, you are essentially distorting your own position. It is no longer agnosticism but you trying to push your own views on me. I've plenty of that already, thanks.

Let's be clear. I don't have much of an issue with your deciding you wannabe on the fence religiously. When you start tell me that I don't know my own beliefs, then you've crossed the line. into an opinion.

You've made a statement, that I am blind guessing. So, you have burden of proof. Go ahead, I'm blind guessing? Prove it then. Prove that I am blind guessing. If you can't, stop making that remark, cuz then you're talking nonsense.

When used as nouns, agnostic means a person who holds to a form of agnosticism, especially uncertainty of the existence of a deity, whereas skeptic means someone who habitually doubts beliefs and claims presented as accepted by others, requiring strong evidence before accepting any belief or claim.

26So do not be afraid of them. For there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, and nothing hidden that will not be made known. 27What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the housetops.

To be agnostic means to be on the fence, to not have an opinion one way or another. To be uncertain about the existence of a deity.
https://diffsense.com/diff/agnostic/skeptic

When used as nouns, agnostic means a person who holds to a form of agnosticism, especially uncertainty of the existence of a deity, whereas skeptic means someone who habitually doubts beliefs and claims presented as accepted by others, requiring strong evidence before accepting any belief or claim.

So what is the difference? A skeptic, unlike an agnostic, may or may not share their disbelief. With an agnostic, it is always "I don't know." A skeptic comes from the idea of looking around, and is one to question established knowledge . It also doesn't just apply to believe in God/gods, but potentially a broader scale.

For instance, a skeptic says, "We can't be sure that there is climate change." Classically, the skeptic would look to find out. Extreme skepticism is the rejection of all knowledge. The point being, it isn't "I am not sure," it's "We can't be sure. You disagree? Fight me now!"

The thing is, if you were an agnostic, I feel like you would be alot, ALOT more chill on this forum. Instead, you typically go after people for their own assertions on faith. So do I, but I don't claim to be anything. If you are agnostic, what business is it of yours whether I believe in God, gods, or a big strong dude called Ungorr the Untamed? Your only priority should be "I don't know whether there are gods or not." Now you talk the talk, but then you do not walk the walk as soon as you make it my business .

Unless you are really NOT agnostic, like you claimed all this point? You are not even really a skeptic, because skeptics tend to question things, as do agnostics, searching for an ultimate answer.

You've decided an answer, and you've decide to bully me until I accept yours. Well I won't. So do you want to keep bugging me hoping I'll "grow up" as you put it? See, what this is really about is there's a nagging voice trying to tell you that something is wrong here, so you feel threatened by me.

You tell yourself the same narrative over and over, but the idea that someone out there completely rejects it is a bit like an environmentalist finding someone who not just neglects to recycle, but refuses to because they know of problems with recycling (ends up in the oceans, for instance). Cognitive dissonance. I quite literally unhinge you just by existing.
Well, I'm sorry, but I've already grown up. And part of it was learning to not be a pushover, and occasionally tell people to mind their own business.

So again, if you really are agnostic, the only thing that should matter is that you personally don't know one way or another. You should drop phrases like "blind guessing, moron, seek mental help" and so on from your vocabulary. Only your personal agnosticism matters to you. If however, you are an imposter, trying to bully me out of my own faith while hiding behind the baner of agnosticism, I will not hesitate to expose you as such.

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26So do not be afraid of them. For there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, and nothing hidden that will not be made known. 27What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the housetops.

Whatever you conceal, I will shout from the housetops.

Actually, I more than hope. I know God exists.

I have assurance of that fact by the way creation works.

The Bible itself is proof of God even if I don't open a single page. I know the ink used came from somewhere, I know that the paper came from somewhere, dyes for the binding, and often leather or cardboard. Simply tracing this back leads to proof of God, since if everything is created by everything else, there must be an uncreated Creator at the end of this chain.

What I don't know is other things, like whether or not God is good. This is my hope, that God is as merciful as is said of him, and that I can trust him. Ir seems to be the case though, as I have currently lived a few years without using much money, yet I have plenty to eat. I also don't know whether or not I am actually the only real person in this world. And many other things. I only know that I exist and God exists.

This idiot above me can laugh all he wants, but as long as he isn't honest with himself, I'm fairly certain that he's gonna be wailing and maybe gnashing his teeth eventually. I have no use for people with a shitty attitude that mocks people who want to teach them something, and even less use for consummate liars who tell people they're agnostic yet have a very clear opinion on what others should believe. Leadfoot thought that if I ever do manage to pin him down that he would ignore me, but I always knew there was no possible way to pin him down because he moves the goalposts. I knew that I'd probably be the one to ignore him, and today seems as good a day as any. But before that, I might check out what he has to say... Yeah, **** no.

**** off, Frank.

Much better!

It's like I swatted an annoying insect.

It's possible for us to know what our own experiences tell us. Atheism is the system of being in denial of one's own experiences. Seeing misfortune and calling it disproof of God.

But if God didn't exist, there would be nothing here. No universe, not even a virtual reality illusion of a universe, minds minds, no life, no self. Nothing. Yes, it's sad when my parents or grandparents or whoever dies and maybe God didn't answer my prayer. Maybe God didn't answer my prayer not because God doesn't exist (He clearly does) but because we are immature selfish twits who think we can tell someone in pain who wants to die that they have to keep living because we prayed it. That's about the point where I'd say to grow up.

But most atheists exist in a perpetual state of immaturity, even telling themselves they "grew up" because they stopped believing in God. Actually, you decided to throw a fit and said, "Well if you're not gonna do what I say, I don't believe in you anymore!" My dearest friend and I are separated now, as we couldn't see eye to eye. But I still know that she's there, that she's living her life as best she can.