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Is this the beginning of the end of Rupert Murdoch's media empire?

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 01:20 pm
@Setanta,
He's lots of fun though.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 01:26 pm
@izzythepush,
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But what does it all mean? “A kind of British Spring is under way,” writes the media columnist David Carr in the New York Times. “Democracy, aided by sunlight, has broken out in Britain.” Hyperbole, of course, but he has a point.

I'd put it like this: The Murdoch debacle reveals a disease that has been slowly clogging up the heart of the British state for the last 30 years. This is the heart attack that warns you that you are sick, but also gives you the chance to emerge healthier than you were before.

The root cause of this British disease has been overmighty, ruthless, out-of- control media power; its main symptom has been fear.

To talk of a British Spring, by analogy with the Arab Spring, is obviously poetic exaggeration. Compared to most other places in the world, Britain is a free country. In many ways, it is a better one now than it was when Murdoch bought The Times (of London, as American newspapers feel it necessary to add) in 1981. But at the apex of British public life, there have been men and women walking around with small icicles of fear in their hearts, and fear is inimical to freedom.

This was a fear that dared not speak its name; a self-deceiving cowardice that cloaked itself in silence, euphemism and excuse. Inwardly, politicians, spin doctors, PR men, public figures and, it now emerges, even senior police officers, said to themselves: Don't take on Murdoch. Never go up against the tabloids. Murdoch & Co used shameless, unscrupulous and illegal intrusions into privacy both to sell newspapers, by titillating a celebrity-hungry public with intimate details, and to secure political influence.

If the tabloids had not actually gone after you, the threat was always there. In Russia, they call it kompromat: compromising material, ready to be used if you step too far out of line. We now know that the hacks and their hackers stopped at no one and at nothing. The Royal Family, families of British soldiers killed in action, kidnapped children - all were targets for intrusion and exposure.

Overweening media power has also shaped British policy in important ways. Contemplating the ruins of Tony Blair's well-intentioned attempt to resolve Britain's chronic schizophrenia about its place in the European Union, an attempt destroyed by the country's Eurosceptic press, I once concluded that Murdoch was the second most powerful man in Britain.

But if the ultimate measure of relative power is “who is more afraid of whom?” then you would have to say that Murdoch was - in this narrow, hard core sense - more powerful than the last three prime ministers of Britain. They have been more frightened of him than he of them.

Consider the evidence. Blair had seen his predecessor, John Major, and a Labour leader, Neil Kinnock, destroyed by a hostile press. He learned his lesson. He wooed those press barons for all he was worth. Only as he was about to leave office, after 10 years, did he dare to denounce the British media for behaving “like a feral beast.”

This week we learned that Blair's successor, Gordon Brown, believes his family's medical, bank and perhaps tax records were hacked into. Brown tells us he was reduced to tears after Rebekah Brooks, who was then editor of the Sun, another Murdoch tabloid, rang him to say that the paper was going to reveal that his four-year-old son Fraser had cystic fibrosis.

Yet a few years later, Brown still attended the wedding of said Rebekah - who until Friday was Murdoch’s right-hand woman at News International, the British wing of News Corp. The Morgan le Fay of British journalism was just too powerful for a prime minister seeking re-election to slight.

David Cameron out-Blaired Blair in wooing the press barons in general and Murdoch in particular. Worse, he hired the former editor of the News Of The World, Andy Coulson, to be his communications director. I cannot recall meeting anyone in British journalism who believed the ex-editor was as innocently unknowing as he claimed of what his reporters had been up to. But Cameron ignored all the warnings.

Most shockingly, London's Metropolitan Police shelved an investigation that they should have pursued vigorously. They failed to tell thousands of people, whose names appeared in the notes of a private investigator used by the News Of The World, that their phones might have been hacked. Only tenacious investigative reporting in the Guardian and the New York Times forced a reopening of the police investigation.

Prime Minister Cameron has now promised a public inquiry, chaired by a senior judge. Perhaps the single most important thing it will have to establish is why the police acted as they did.

Again, the most likely explanation boils down to fear. The police were afraid of imperiling their cozy relationship with the Murdoch papers, which helped them in their inquiries and praised them for their crime-fighting efforts.

Some police were paid by the Murdoch press. Senior officers now say that their own phones were hacked. Absent strong evidence to the contrary, the only reasonable conclusion is that the police feared being mauled rather than embraced by the feral beast. So they, too, bent the knee.

All that remains is for us to discover that a senior judge was spied upon, won over or intimidated. Surely not! we cry. Not that! But how many times before have we thought that we had reached bottom, only to hear knocking from underneath?

Yet even if there are still worse revelations to come about the past, the future looks brighter. The best of British journalism has exposed the worst. In Parliament, the worms have finally turned. Party leaders and ordinary MPs are, at long last, reasserting the supremacy of elected politicians over unelected media barons. The barrier of fear has been overcome.

Out of this putrid quagmire there should emerge a whole new settlement: in the balances between politics, the media, the police and the law; in the self-regulation of the press and in the practice of journalism.

The danger is that, once the initial outrage has passed, Britain will again settle for half-measures, half-implemented, as has already happened with the impulse for constitutional reform that came out of the parliamentary expenses scandal.

But for now, one of the most important crises of the British political system in 30 years has produced an opportunity. I will return this autumn to a Britain that is slightly more free.

The writer is Professor of European Studies at Oxford University and a Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/behind-the-numbers/post/poll-little-confidence-in-leaders-to-deal-with-debt-issue-obama-has-edge/2011/07/12/gIQAnDnEMI_blog.html?hpid=z2

I could be wrong, but I am not alone.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 01:53 pm
@hawkeye10,
Not being alone doesn't say much.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 01:59 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:


I could be wrong, but I am not alone.


Quote:
This is the heart attack that warns you that you are sick, but also gives you the chance to emerge healthier than you were before.

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The danger is that, once the initial outrage has passed, Britain will again settle for half-measures, half-implemented, as has already happened with the impulse for constitutional reform that came out of the parliamentary expenses scandal.

But for now, one of the most important crises of the British political system in 30 years has produced an opportunity. I will return this autumn to a Britain that is slightly more free.

Perhaps you are alone, since even that writer points out the British government will be better off and probably viewed more highly because of the scandal.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 02:04 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
But what does it all mean? “A kind of British Spring is under way,” writes the media columnist David Carr in the New York Times. “Democracy, aided by sunlight, has broken out in Britain.” Hyperbole, of course, but he has a point.

<snip>

Yet even if there are still worse revelations to come about the past, the future looks brighter. The best of British journalism has exposed the worst. In Parliament, the worms have finally turned. Party leaders and ordinary MPs are, at long last, reasserting the supremacy of elected politicians over unelected media barons. The barrier of fear has been overcome.

But for now, one of the most important crises of the British political system in 30 years has produced an opportunity. I will return this autumn to a Britain that is slightly more free.

The writer is Professor of European Studies at Oxford University and a Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/behind-the-numbers/post/poll-little-confidence-in-leaders-to-deal-with-debt-issue-obama-has-edge/2011/07/12/gIQAnDnEMI_blog.html?hpid=z2

I could be wrong, but I am not alone.


good on you for posting an article that disagrees with your stated opinion
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 02:06 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
complete with fake links and quotes no doubt....


often with badly garbled google translations that you further misinterpret
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 02:12 pm
@ehBeth,
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good on you for posting an article that disagrees with your stated opinion
Which part of my opinion does it disagree with in your opinion?

Come on, I know that you can do better than a drive-by.... that you can put together both a thought and an argument for it.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 02:20 pm
@parados,
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Perhaps you are alone, since even that writer points out the British government will be better off and probably viewed more highly because of the scandal.
He is saying that the British people will hopefully be better off, not the government. Where has he said that he thinks government will be viewed with more esteem?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 02:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Not being alone doesn't say much.
It says that those who accuse me of being a lone wolf are wrong, which is all that I am going after.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 02:31 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

Not being alone doesn't say much.
It says that those who accuse me of being a lone wolf are wrong, which is all that I am going after.


What about people who say you talk bollocks.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 03:29 pm
@izzythepush,
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What about people who say you talk bollocks.
That is a boilerplate response at A2K, without argument and documentation such shoddy work is rightfully ignored.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 03:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
For a start your professor of European Studies does not quite back up what you say.
This whole thing happened with the relationship between Roop and Thatch. Thatch gave him control of 40% of the Media, and he supported her. The Sun is Britain's biggest daily, it's also got a reading age of about 8. It's readership is notoriously fickle/thick and easily swayed. Thatch came to power in 1979. The tories had the support of Dailys: The Sun, The Daily Mail, The Daily Express, The Times, the Telegraph and The Financial Times. Labour had the Guardian and The Daily Mirror. I'm not going to list Sundays but it's a similar story.

By 1992 there was a feeling of change. The labour leader, Neil Kinnock was ahead in the polls, The Financial Times and the Times (halfheartedly) had gone over to Labour. Even then Roop was hedging his bets. In the end the Tories won yet again. On election day The Sun ran the headline If Labour Win Today Will The Last Person To Leave The Country Please Turn Out The Light. This was accompanied by an unflattering picture of Kinnock inside a lightbulb.

Whether it was true or not, it was widely believed that The Sun clinched the election. The Sun believed it, the next days headline read It Was The Sun Wot Won It. Major's parliament started to ravel almost straight away, but by the time of the next election in 1997, the Tories had been in power for 18 years. A lot of people thought that a Labour victory could not be achieved without the backing of The Sun, so Blair courted Murdoch.

Murdoch is not a natural Labour supporter, but he backed the winning side and kept hold of the same sort of power and influence as he had enjoyed under the Tories. It wasn't a one-way street, Blair used Murdoch to win support for the Iraq war. Most Labour members hate Murdoch, as do the MPs. It was never an easy relationship, and it fell apart when Brown became prime minister.

Brown was not at all charismatic, and not only that he refused to scrap Ofcom and cut the funding of the BBC. Murdoch went over to the Tories, and Andy Coulson became Cameron's press secretary. When Cameron became prime minister Coulson entered Downing Street. Cameron has entertained, and been entertained by Brooks and Jimmy over the Christmas holidays.

The situation with the Met is different. The NOTW could always be relied on to plant positive stories about the police. The police would allow NOTW journos exclusive access to raids on criminals targetted by NOTW journos. You then have the attitude of certain high ranking police officers. They will have to answer for themselves, corrupt or incompetant.

So the situation is, certain high ranking officers in the Met, and maybe some less high ranking officers are in the frame. David Cameron's inner circle may be touched as well as other Labour ex ministers associated with Blair, and to a lesser degree Brown.

The vast majority of MPs welcome this. The British establishment isn't quivering, just a few choice individuals.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 03:37 pm
@izzythepush,
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The vast majority of MPs welcome this. The British establishment isn't quivering, just a few choice individuals.
Who gives a **** what the MPs think, it is what the people think that matters. What are they to make of proof that their police at the highest levels are corrupt, as well as are a series of their most senior political leaders? This is gone well past where those in the state can blame a few wayward individuals, the system is bad, it is now been proved to be bad. And Murdoch certainly has more proof of this that he can let go of at any time.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 03:47 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I'd put it like this: The Murdoch debacle reveals a disease that has been slowly clogging up the heart of the British state for the last 30 years. This is the heart attack that warns you that you are sick, but also gives you the chance to emerge healthier than you were before.

So, he was saying it's the British PEOPLE that are sick?

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He is saying that the British people will hopefully be better off, not the government. Where has he said that he thinks government will be viewed with more esteem?
Since you want to play that game, where does he say the British people will be better off? Where does he say the government will be viewed with LESS esteem?

Bollocks, indeed.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 03:50 pm
@hawkeye10,
You haven't got a clue what the British people think. You don't know the first thing about Britain. You're a ******* idiot.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 03:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
Do you really not understand the articles you post?
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 03:55 pm
@izzythepush,
The very best spin I can find for Hee is that he disagrees to disagree.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 03:58 pm
@parados,
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Where does he say the government will be viewed with LESS esteem?
Who said that he did? He is however clearly opining that the British political elite have not to this point been worthy of esteem.

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Since you want to play that game, where does he say the British people will be better off?
He said he hoped that the British will be better off, that he hopes that when he returns in the fall that he finds Briton better than when he left it.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 04:00 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Do you really not understand the articles you post?
Still cant come up with anything? Having a low wattage day today are you?
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 04:10 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

He is however clearly opining that the British political elite have not to this point been worthy of esteem.

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Who are the British polical elite?
 

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