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eoe
 
Reply Fri 9 Jan, 2004 01:16 pm
I'm watching the remake of this movie, with Jack Lemmon, George C. Scott, Tony Danza, Mykelti Williams, Courtney Vance, Hume Cronyn, Ossie Davis, Edward James Olmos, James Galdofini and some others who's names escape me. What a great ensemble! Even Tony Danza is holding his own. I saw the original many years ago and don't remember much but this version is cutting and raw and all I can think is, actors muct have fought like dogs to get one of these most precious roles. We always pan remakes but this one has got to be just as good as the original, don't you think?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jan, 2004 05:20 pm
I have enjoyed the original about 3 or 4 times. I still haven't seen the remake, but may one of these days. As fiction, it's a pretty good story, but it has very little to do with reality.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jan, 2004 05:24 pm
I didn't realize it was a remake, but thought it was fantastic. Damn near missed a plane because I couldn't not see the end. I now look forward to seeing the original. I'll get back to you when I have.
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Roberta
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 10:02 am
I thought the original was brilliant in many ways. I thought the remake was good--not great. Perhaps one of the reasons why I wasn't crazy about the remake was the the original make such an indelible impression on me.
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eoe
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 11:16 am
Watching it yesterday was like seeing it for the first time, altho' I do remember Henry Fonda in the original b/w film. I don't remember any of the other actors, tho.
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Raggedyaggie
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 12:04 pm
EOE: That was a great ensemble in the remake, but I am partial to the original. I just couldn't see anyone other than Henry Fonda in the role and perhaps I preferred it because it made such an impression on me at the time I saw it. But then, I haven't seen a remake of a film that I thought was better than the original yet. :wink: The original cast included Lee J. Cobb, Ed Begley, Jack Klugman, E. G. Marshall, Jack Warden and Martin Balsam, all great character actors.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 01:27 pm
One of the few times a remake makes it to the caliber of the original -- fascinating to watch both for the actor's interpretation of the roles and I agree that Tony Danza delivers a remarkable performance.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 01:31 pm
I like 'em both but actually prefer the remake. No special reason, I just do.

The actor who plays the angry black man, I forget his name but he was Bubba in forest Gump, is exceptional in his part, as is George c Scott.
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eoe
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 02:00 pm
Mykelti Williams played the angry black man. Gives you some insight to his range, huh? From a sweet and softhearted man like Bubba to a loudmouthed, impatient, dishonorable character like the one he played in 12 Angry Men.
One thing I really like about the remake, without even revisiting the original, is the mix of different races of men. That really fired things up.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 07:58 pm
Yeah when the hispanic actor, another well known character actor whose name escapes me, flared up after being so softspoken that was very effective.....
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eoe
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 08:33 pm
Edward James Olmos. "Miami Vice' of all places!
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 09:22 am
You can also catch Olmos on PBS's "American Famil," an excellent dramatic series and it's broadcast in HDTV.
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daleliop
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2004 06:39 am
In grade 8 our English teacher showed us the movie in class. I think there was a small discussion amongst ourselves about how ridiculous it seemed that Jack Lemmon could get a knife (and a particular knife that resembled the suspect's knife) into the jury room (when he stabbed it onto the table). We didn't finish the entire movie though.
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Roberta
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2004 10:40 am
daleliop, The movie was originally set many years ago--the sixties? You could get anything into a court or jury room back in those days. Now just to get into the court house you are scanned, searched, checked, and possibly frisked. Ah, the good old days.
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Raggedyaggie
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2004 10:48 am
Roberta: 12 Angry Men was made in 1957. Now, those were the "good ole days" - those Golden Fifties, with a few Forties thrown in for good measure. Laughing
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eoe
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2004 01:58 pm
But the version dale is speaking of is the remake with Jack Lemmon, set in present day. Correct? It was released in 1997. You may have pointed put a glaring mistake, dale. I mean, GLARING, remembering metal detectors in government buildings back in the 80's.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jan, 2004 09:40 am
I've never seen the Jack Lemmon remake, but I've seen the Henry Fonda version several times. And as a lawyer, I gotta' say that "Twelve Angry Men" drives me nuts. No question, the acting in the film is superb, but the film depicts what is, in effect, a runaway jury. Fonda's character, for instance, brings in that knife: that's clearly improper, and would immediately necessitate a mis-trial. Likewise, the jury considers inferences from evidence that were unsupported by the trial testimony. For instance, the fact that one of the witnesses was near-sighted (a fact not adduced in the trial) may have been a good guess on Fonda's part, but it was not supported by any testimony and should not have been considered by the jury.

I usually give films that deal with the legal system a good deal of leeway (I think "The Verdict" is a terrific film, even though its conclusion is marred by an obvious procedural error), but I just can't get over the mistakes in "Twelve Angry Men." I only hope that, if I were on trial for my life, I'd get a jury that wasn't like the one in that film.

EDIT: corrected a grammatical error
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eoe
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jan, 2004 10:18 am
I can't remember the original and never saw the end of the remake.What was the final verdict?
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jan, 2004 11:33 am
eoe wrote:
I can't remember the original and never saw the end of the remake.What was the final verdict?

Not guilty.
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eoe
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jan, 2004 04:05 pm
joefromchicago wrote:
I only hope that, if I were on trial for my life, I'd get a jury that wasn't like the one in that film.


They found him not guilty? That's just the jury I'd want. People willing to stand up, speak out and go against the rest of the room.
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