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Manana Forever?: Mexico and the Mexicans

 
 
Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 11:06 am
I was surprised that Castaneda was so frank in his identification of the puzzling paradoxes of his native country, but so on target. ---BBB

Manana Forever?: Mexico and the Mexicans
by Jorge G. Castaneda

Why are Mexicans so successful in individual sports, but deficient in team play? Why do Mexicans dislike living in skyscrapers? Why do Mexicans love to see themselves as victims, but also love victims? And why, though the Mexican people traditionally avoid conflict, is there so much violence in a country where many leaders have died by assassination?

In this shrewd and fascinating book, the renowned scholar and former foreign minister Jorge Castañeda sheds much light on the puzzling paradoxes of his native country. Here’s a nation of 110 million that has an ambivalent and complicated relationship with the United States yet is host to more American expatriates than any country in the world. Its people tend to resent foreigners yet have made the nation a hugely popular tourist destination. Mexican individualism and individual ties to the land reflect a desire to conserve the past and slow the route to uncertain modernity.

Castañeda examines the future possibilities for Mexico as it becomes more diverse in its regional identities, socially more homogenous, its character and culture the instruments of change rather than sources of stagnation, its political system more open and democratic. Mañana Forever? is a compelling portrait of a nation at a crossroads.

About the Author

Jorge G. Castañeda was born and raised in Mexico City. He received his B.A. from Princeton University and his Ph.D. from the University of Paris. He has been a professor of political science at the National Autonomous University of Mexico, a senior associate of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington, D.C., and a visiting professor at Princeton University and the University of California at Berkeley. He was Mexico’s foreign minister from 2000 to 2003, and is now Global Distinguished Professor of Politics and Latin American Studies at New York University. He is a member of the board of Human Rights Watch and lives in New York and Mexico City.
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 11:49 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
Mexicans have a split personality. They are half Spanish and half native indian so the two parts reside in their personalities.
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 11:55 am
@talk72000,
What about the French, Americans and South American invaders?

BBB
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 12:03 pm
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
But they didn't mix genes the way the Spanish did.
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 01:05 pm
@talk72000,
June 13, 2011
Commentary: Mexico isn't doomed to failure
By Andres Oppenheimer | The Miami Herald

Reading the new book by Jorge Castañeda, Mañana Forever: Mexico and the Mexicans, I was struck by his observation that Mexicans tend to seek individual solutions to collective problems, while Americans and Europeans tend to seek collective solutions to collective problems.

Castañeda, one of Latin America’s sharpest intellectuals and a former Mexican foreign minister, says Mexico suffers from an acute individualism that is evident in Mexicans’ attitudes toward politics, architecture, arts and even sports.

Mexicans are not team players, he says. It is not surprising, for example, that Mexico, one of Latin America’s most populated countries, has never won a soccer World Cup, or that it has produced international music stars like Armando Manzanero or Luis Miguel — but not world-famous orchestras.

But doesn’t that apply to most Latin American countries? After all, Argentina has the world’s best soccer player Lionel Messi — and didn’t win last year’s soccer World Cup. Colombia has world-famous singer Shakira but no comparably famous orchestras, I noted during an interview with Castañeda.

“There is some truth to the fact that there is a Latin American individualist trait in all countries, but the Mexican case is exceptionally acute,” he said, noting that Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay and other Latin American countries have historically had much better soccer teams than Mexico.

Castañeda cited the fact that when you fly over Mexico City, you see a largely flat city that stretches out endlessly, with individual houses as far as the eye can see. Comparatively, when you take a picture of Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo or Caracas from the air, you see high-rise apartment buildings everywhere.

“Mexicans don’t like living in an apartment building, because they don’t think it belongs to them and don’t want to share a public space with their neighbors,” he said. “That doesn’t happen in other parts of Latin America.”

Likewise, few middle or upper-class Mexicans take the subway, or join charitable, religious, communitarian or educational institutions. Mexico ranks last in a Johns Hopkins University ranking of countries’ charitable donations, with only 0.04 percent of its gross domestic product spent on charity, he noted.

When faced with economic or social problems, Mexicans take advantage of their geographic closeness to the United States to seek the ultimate individualist solution: emigration. “Their reaction is, ‘I’m leaving; you take care of this mess,’ ” he said.

Asked about the reasons behind this individualist culture, Castañeda cited the fact that the conquest of the Americas was not the work of Spain as a country, but the achievement of individual adventurers who often acted on their own initiative. In addition, Mexico already had a hierarchical structure even before the Spanish conquest, which left little room for individual initiatives, he said.

But, I asked, are Mexicans doomed by their history? Isn’t this a “cultural determinism” that has proven wrong in many other countries until recently seen as hopeless?

“At any given time, a country’s culture or national character or national identity, although I don’t like that term, has a significant influence on the way people act,’’ Castañeda said. “But what I maintain is that it can be changed, and that it must change, and that Mexico can only prosper if it changes it.”

My opinion: I agree. Countries are not condemned by their history. They can change. Singapore, South Korea, Ireland — even after its current financial crisis. India and China were believed to be basket cases only four decades ago and suffered famines that were never seen in Latin America before they started growing steadily in recent years.

I know many of you are thinking that none of the above-mentioned countries are in Latin America. But that’s not true: There are several countries in the region that are growing steadily. Just look at Chile, or Costa Rica, or — with luck — Brazil, and you see economic progress in our neighborhood.

What determines whether countries prosper is their national consensus on basic things, such as the need for continuity in government policies, attracting investments and improving educational standards.

There is no biological reason why Latin America’s prosperity should be a “Mañana forever” proposition. It can be achieved and it is being achieved by several countries, although unfortunately not by as many as we would like.

ABOUT THE WRITER

Andres Oppenheimer is a Miami Herald syndicated columnist and a member of The Miami Herald team that won the 1987 Pulitzer Prize. He also won the 1999 Maria Moors Cabot Award, the 2001 King of Spain prize, and the 2005 Emmy Suncoast award. He is the author of Castro's Final Hour; Bordering on Chaos, on Mexico's crisis; Cronicas de heroes y bandidos, Ojos vendados, Cuentos Chinos and most recently of Saving the Americas.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/06/13/115526/commentary-mexico-isnt-doomed.html?storylink=MI_emailed#ixzz1PBUpdnCB
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Reply Mon 13 Jun, 2011 01:52 pm
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
I see Amazon has it on sale at 18.45. I just may put this one on order.
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2011 02:40 am
With shipping, this just better be worth 20.42.
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 05:03 pm
@roger,
I'd rather save my money, Roger.
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 05:28 pm
@fbaezer,
I would prefer that I had. So far, I've got multiple examples of the "individual solution to a collective problem", but no explanation. Now, I'm into the chapter on "Mexicans avoid confrontation".

When I finish it, I'm driving to Albuquerque and giving it to BBB.
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 05:36 pm
Octavio Paz wrote "The Labyrinth of Solitude" in 1950, trying -as it was in vogue during those years- to find a "national" character in Mexicans.

Some of his findings, who actuall dwell in some sort of collective freudianism, were fit to his genius but, unlike the rest of Paz's opus, "The Labyrinth of Solitude" did not pass the test of time.

Now comes Jorge Castañeda to stew some of Paz's old soup, adds a couple of spices and tries to impress the American public (he too often writes about Mexico and its problems thinking of how gringos will read him) with a book that is below his other works.

Castañeda could have answered his queries by reading Robert Putnam's "Making Demcoracy Work" and "Bowling Alone", about the role of history in the making of participatory citizens.

In the former work, Putnam proves that the party in office has less to do with social success in a community that a history of civic engagement. His example is Italy: the North, with a history of city-States and the South, under autocratic Spanish rule for centuries. There is little civic engagement and more corruption in the South of Italy, as in Spain, Mexico, or the rest of Latin America.

More individualistic than the US? Come on! Mexico has a tradition of collectivism, from the pre-hispanic tribes on. It's obviously stronger in the South than in the US-influenced North. Does Castañeda know what percent of arable land in Mexico is collectively owned or its use collectively decided upon? We're talking about millions of ejidatarios and comuneros.

There is probably a lower percentage of Americans living in department buildings than Mexicans. Horizontal growth in Mexico City has practically halted, but was fueled for decades by real-estate speculation-corruption.

Team work? We've won twice the U-17 Football (soccer) World Championship and have been among the world top-3 in the U-20 category also twice. The question is: How come when the players grow older they are not as good a team? Not a cultural impossibility of team work. Commercial interests that come before the players', is my answer after 20+ years covering or being very near sport news.

I think the nickname was harsh and unfair, but some 20 years ago, Castañeda was dubbed "Being There", ya know, like Chancey Gardner in Kozinsky's novella. But when he tries to discover warm water in a country he really hasn't seen throughly -most of his life among cushions, posh restaurants and American Universities and Gringos who tell him he's king- I can't help but to remember the mean nickname.
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