where does one find oneself?

who?

While civility is valued it costs nothing.

i agree, definatly.
but tell that to setanta.

I rarely tell Setanta anything. I just listen.

I'm in the here and now, and I'm meditating
And still I'm suffering but that's my problem
Enlightenment, don't know what it is.

I don't either, but I'm sure I would not trade it for the suffering I'm (we're) experiencing right now.

Brightness can be blinding...

So can the dark.

its not a question of where, but of how...
but i see where your coming from.

Noah, why don't you, the inept and conceited imbecile that you are, find some more acceptable medium through which to convey your menial, irrelevant comments, where your undeniable and consistent skepticism and cynicism and ideological and idealistic attitude may be accepted.

Where are any ofmy comments any of those things? And who is noah. You are mistaking me for some one else

A dramatic moment: our sweet friend Dyslexia died a couple days after telling me (above):
"I 'm in the here and now, and I'm meditating
And still I'm suffering but that's my problem
Enlightenment, don't know what it is."

He was truly suffering and speaking from his heart.
My answer was sincere but not as heartfelt as his. I answered:

"I don't either, but I'm sure I would not trade it for the suffering I'm (we're) experiencing right now." What I meant, of course, was that I prefer the REALITY of our suffering to the IDEALIZATION of the notion of enlightenment. Now I'm the only one who is suffering. Dear Bob is at peace.

where does one find oneself?

Did you look behind the sofa?

nope. even though everything ends up there at one point or another...

Oh, there it is: behind my sofa. Thanks, Set. Such sage advice. It should become one of our classic zen dialogs.

me or setanta?

Can't say. I don't understand zen talk.

"Are you referring to my writings and propositions...?"

You wish.

im with setanta on this one...