The problem is that you see language as a specific human trait emerging in the Social, while I am more generalist and do not look for any particular background...for you, only human beings operate with language, as they are the subjects from where language emerge...you believe in minds, while I see minds as software in the very self fabric of language...software producers emerging inside a yet bigger layer of software...and such that, I in turn, see language and language operators, everywhere, not even restricted to biological entity´s, or bounded by the obscure concept of "matter" itself...as I said in previous occasions, every variable is simultaneously subject and object, an operator of relations and fruit of them...I am the one that, bottom line sticks with language and language alone...self dynamic Systems of Information !
...plus, my position is not necessarily bottom-up, as you forget that I very much in my hard deterministic approach, dismiss time sequencing in my views and thus consequently being also an Holist on this regard...nevertheless, as I remember telling awhile ago either to you and Fido, we all are not that far away as it may seam... to conclude suffices to say that I am far of considering to already have a full picture in my mind on how this all glues together...it happens that in so far I very much had good reason in life to trust my intuition, I keep doing it...it goes as if I knew something before being fully able to put it orderly in to words, we all know that sensation...
...the disagreement we both have upon Truth very much is related with the old problem of Infinity versus Finity and further...while I think infinity only addresses, Dynamic, (Quantitative) thus subjected to a pattern sequencing repetitiveness which encapsulates its qualitative scope and depth to finite parameters, you seam to almost magically believe in a True boundless Infinity...(my IQ does n´t grab that much...
(I apologise in advance for my English, given this reply is being build as I go without any review)
Best regards>FILIPE DE ALBUQUERQUE