The life of a plant is worthless? It's a silly, silly position upon which to assert one's moral superiority.
Eating meat lies outside of the field of ethics, I would think. Eating meat, for many animals and men, is an act of survival, not choice. That we inject our own scruples into the act is to afford luxury
That said, I am an animal lover, who hates to see animals getting mistreated. If I had to personally kill for meat, I would down lots more vegetables. But I don't view my sentiments from a moral viewpoint, because we all are food, in one way or another.
the human and environmental impacts of such practices are what ultimately made the compelling change in me.
I think I see what you are saying, it's a long and slippery slope though.
You'd end up back at the first hominid to pick up a sliver of bone for use as a tool.
That said, there is no doubt that the demand begets the supply.
This is a tough subject that's been discussed a lot. I'd like to take it slow so we don't lose the focus.
So then, taking your input into account, a discerning and responsible use of animal products is ethical, as a premise?
B12 isn't from animals either. It's from bacteria.
B12 is easily foun in fresh produce and getting your body's recommended value is very easily. Fresh mushrooms are particularly good. Supplements aren't necessary.
Trying to compare the Civilized attitudes of modern man to some belief system of today, is the same as comparing the attitudes of the cave man, who's whole existence relied on his spear and catching and eating of meat. Then saying that they were immoral and should have all become vegetarians
I know many farmers, they all seem to genuinely care for their animals. I've seen them give a pat or a rub to the animals and they feed, water and give them good clean shelter, fresh hay and the like. These cows, pigs and chicken live in open areas, fields and get excercise. A farmer who doesn't is a fool. My cousins and friends have all had pet cows, pigs and sheep. But none of them have lived to old age. Again, a farmer can't survive otherwise.
I have three dogs. They also eat meat. When they are ill or no longer have a good quality of life, I will put them down humanely.
Chickens have it the worst and I believe that this will change as we begin to realize that this isn't good for us either.
Most veggiephagies eat that way jut to rub our noses in their "superior" moral code.
Meat can act as a central dish or a mere flavoring
Omnivores take the lives of other living things from both the animal and plant kingdoms in order to survive.
Vegetarians (who also don't eat eggs) only take the lives of living things from the plant kingdom in order to survive. That makes them morally superior? The life of a plant is worthless? It's a silly, silly position upon which to assert one's moral superiority.
Being that I don't feel a person's choice to eat or not eat animal product resolves to a singular moral/ethical fulcrum, I don't feel I miss "the point." people may have diverse reasons to make any choice. A person may not eat meat simply because they dislike it. This person is not missing the point.
That's a straw man--i didn't say it was required, so i'll not waste my time "seeing above," thank you.
That you don't consider plants to have the same moral standing as animals is an opinion to which you are entitled. I don't share it.
that won't make it an absolute truth.
Plant's arn't worthless, but they aren't by my argument directly morally considerable. Do they feel pleasure and pain, happiness and regret? Are they social beings? Sentient? No, of course not, so your argument is a mis characterization of what I am saying, and that entails a straw man.
Scientists took samples from all the aspens in this forest and found that they're all clones - genetically identical. And they're all connected to a single parent tree. New sprouts called suckers grow from the roots of the parent aspen. The suckers are protected by the grove, and the young trees can get their nutrients from the parent's roots until their own are well established.
This may be why quaking aspen is the most widely distributed tree in North America. And aspen root systems can remain dormant for centuries, until the right conditions exist for the suckers to produce the young trees stems, called ramets . . .