0
   

The awareness of death and its impact on life-

 
 
Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2011 11:42 am
The awareness of death, of the certainty of death, seems to act as a whistle-blower on ones conscience, reminding oneself that many things in life simply are not worth pursuing.

Wouldn't it be possible to change the way we live, and instead of wasting our time, in the light of death pursue the things we really value, rather than turning to escapism?

there are so many people I know who have no concern in life other than pursuing pleasure for its own sake- their lives are filled with trivial little things that meaning nothing, that contribute to nothing and no one. surely people can use the awareness of death to live better lives, and live life in the light of death, which would compel them to re-evaluate their lives.

I think awareness of death can bring us closer to our "higher-selves", and we can live in accordance with something other than our fickle impulses.
  • Topic Stats
  • Top Replies
  • Link to this Topic
Type: Discussion • Score: 0 • Views: 1,663 • Replies: 11
No top replies

 
fresco
 
  1  
Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2011 04:58 pm
@existential potential,
Heidegger said more than most on this.
I'll leave it to Dasein to do the synopsis. Wink
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2011 05:07 pm
@existential potential,
existential potential wrote:
The awareness of death, of the certainty of death, seems to act as a whistle-blower on ones conscience, reminding oneself that many things in life simply are not worth pursuing.

Wouldn't it be possible to change the way we live, and instead of wasting our time, in the light of death pursue the things we really value, rather than turning to escapism?

there are so many people I know who have no concern in life other than pursuing pleasure for its own sake- their lives are filled with trivial little things that meaning nothing, that contribute to nothing and no one. surely people can use the awareness of death to live better lives, and live life in the light of death, which would compel them to re-evaluate their lives.

I think awareness of death can bring us closer to our "higher-selves", and we can live in accordance with something other than our fickle impulses.
"Death" is a fraud. It is as fony as a $7 bill.
Its only molting.
Human bodies r deciduous.

www.IANDS.org




David
0 Replies
 
existential potential
 
  1  
Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2011 05:46 pm
@fresco,
I am aware of some of Heidegger's thought, can you link me any useful websites on his thoughts about death, if you know of any?
Oylok
 
  1  
Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2011 07:05 pm
@existential potential,
existential potential wrote:
The awareness of death, of the certainty of death, seems to act as a whistle-blower on ones conscience, reminding oneself that many things in life simply are not worth pursuing.

Wouldn't it be possible to change the way we live, and instead of wasting our time, in the light of death pursue the things we really value, rather than turning to escapism?

there are so many people I know who have no concern in life other than pursuing pleasure for its own sake- their lives are filled with trivial little things that meaning nothing, that contribute to nothing and no one. surely people can use the awareness of death to live better lives, and live life in the light of death, which would compel them to re-evaluate their lives.


I agree completely, until...

Quote:
I think awareness of death can bring us closer to our "higher-selves", and we can live in accordance with something other than our fickle impulses.


I don't like the term "higher" in that sentence. To me it suggests you're trying to improve your behaviour according to someone else's scale of good and bad. I prefer the idea of living in service to our "greater selves". I don't mean "greater" as in "better" or anything like that. By "greater self" I mean "oneself, more liberally defined"--not just one's physical person, but the whole set of one's actions and the consequences of those actions. In short, I mean one's impact on the world. For example, the "greater" essence of a rock that you've just dropped in a pond includes all the waves that ripple out away from wherever the rock landed.

Ask whether you are having a significant impact on the world around you, and then ask whether your impact on the world suits you. If the answer to either question is "no", change how you are living, because either your "greater self" ain't doing all that well for itself or else ... well, or else it just ain't a pretty sight. Wink

Each of us is conscious and aware for a finite period, but our "greater selves" (as defined above) live on much longer. There is no proof that they will ever disappear. As Maximus Decimus Meridius put it: "Brothers, what we do in life ... echoes in eternity".
fresco
 
  1  
Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 12:33 am
@existential potential,
Quote:
Wiki on Heidegger, Being and Death
Being-toward-death is not an orientation that brings Dasein closer to its end, in terms of clinical death, but is rather a way of being.[3] In the analysis of time, it is revealed as a threefold condition of Being. Time, the present and the notion of the "eternal", are modes of temporality. Temporality is the way we see time. For Heidegger, it is very different from the mistaken view of time as being a linear series of past, present and future. Instead he sees it as being an ecstasy, an outside-of-itself, of futural projections (possibilities) and one's place in history as a part of one's generation. Possibilities, then, are integral to our understanding of time; our projects, or thrown projection in-the-world, are what absorb and direct us. Futurity, as a direction toward the future that always contains the past—the has-been—is a primary mode of Dasein's temporality.
Death is that possibility which is the absolute impossibility of Dasein. As such, it cannot be compared to any other kind of ending or "running out" of something. For example, one's death is not an empirical event. For Heidegger, death is Dasein's ownmost (it is what makes Dasein individual), it is non-relational (nobody can take one's death away from one, or die in one's place, and we can not understand our own death through the death of other Dasein), and it is not to be outstripped. The "not-yet" of life is always already a part of Dasein: "as soon as man comes to life, he is at once old enough to die." The threefold condition of death is thus simultaneously one's "ownmost potentiality-for-being, non-relational, and not to be out-stripped". Death is determinate in its inevitability, but an authentic Being-toward-death understands the indeterminate nature of one's own inevitable death - one never knows when or how it is going to come. However, this indeterminacy does not put death in some distant, futural "not-yet"; authentic Being-toward-death understands one's individual death as always already a part of one.[4]
With average, everyday (normal) discussion of death, all this is concealed. The "they-self" talks about it in a fugitive manner, passes it off as something that occurs at some time but is not yet "present-at-hand" as an actuality, and hides its character as one's ownmost possibility, presenting it as belonging to no one in particular. It becomes devalued - redefined as a neutral and mundane aspect of existence that merits no authentic consideration. "One dies" is interpreted as a fact, and comes to mean "nobody dies".[5]
On the other hand, authenticity takes Dasein out of the "They," in part by revealing its place as a part of the They. Heidegger states that Authentic being-toward-death calls Dasein's individual self out of its "they-self", and frees it to re-evaluate life from the standpoint of finitude. In so doing, Dasein opens itself up for "angst," translated alternately as "dread" or as "anxiety." Angst, as opposed to fear, does not have any distinct object for its dread; it is rather anxious in the face of Being-in-the-world in general - that is, it is anxious in the face of Dasein's own self. Angst is a shocking individuation of Dasein, when it realizes that it is not at home in the world, or when it comes face to face with its own "uncanny" (German Unheimlich: "not at home"). In Dasein's individuation, it is open to hearing the "call of conscience," which comes from Dasein's own Self when it wants to be its Self. This Self is then open to truth, understood as unconcealment (Greek Aletheia). In this moment of vision, Dasein understands what is hidden as well as hiddenness itself, indicating Heidegger's regular uniting of opposites; in this case, truth and untruth.[6]
[edit]Being-with
0 Replies
 
fresco
 
  1  
Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 12:45 am
@Oylok,
My interpretation of "higher self" is a state in which the "everyday self" with its trivial attachments, is viewed "from above" so to speak. To some extent this is "death transcendent" because in it the "normal self" has been "killed off". Hence I would argue that this transcendent position is therapeutic with respect to ordinary fears of death as "loss of self".
0 Replies
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 01:46 am

The human body is not the self.
0 Replies
 
existential potential
 
  1  
Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 06:19 am
@Oylok,
I would say that the "higher self" is that self which goes beyond itself and sees itself in a different way. The way we think about things on an everyday basis changes when we reach moments of our higher-selves, and the meaning of things, such as our lifestyle, consequently alters in light of our higher self.

Nietzsche talks about the "higher self" as being something which "speaks demandingly", and consequently many people “fear their higher self”, and they therefore rarely “live up to” their higher selves, and instead remain within their ordinary everyday selves for most of their lives.

one's higher self is not someone elses measure of what is "good" or "bad", it is more your own measure, because it comes from your own higher self, rather than anyone else.
0 Replies
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 06:30 am

People whose human bodies have died
have described returning to (human) life
as "being put back in jail."
0 Replies
 
Oylok
 
  1  
Reply Sat 5 Feb, 2011 12:33 pm
(@ the lot of you)

Oh, okay, well, I haven't read much formal philosophy. Embarrassed

As usual, interesting responses...
0 Replies
 
existential potential
 
  1  
Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2011 11:59 am
@Oylok,
I appreciate your point, to try and live a life in such a way that we are happy with the consequences, and to try and change if we feel that the consequences are not good-but change is difficult, even when we ourselves can see that it may well benefit us.

Doing what one has "always" done, or what one has done for some time with ones life, is always easier than pursuing something new. We don't need to be mindful when we live through our regular lifestyles, because they have become habitual and thoughtless.

I suppose what I meant was that in the light of our awareness of death, we are pulled out of the passive state that we got wedged into, of failing to properly consider, and reflect on what one is doing in life. Once we then come to the realisation that we have been living passively, without any sense of urgency, then in a sense we begin to get "in touch" with our "higher-self", inasmuch as we begin to pursue what is most important to us, because we now know that we only have an ever dwindling time reach for those things that are most important to us.
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

How can we be sure? - Discussion by Raishu-tensho
Proof of nonexistence of free will - Discussion by litewave
Destroy My Belief System, Please! - Discussion by Thomas
Star Wars in Philosophy. - Discussion by Logicus
Existence of Everything. - Discussion by Logicus
Is it better to be feared or loved? - Discussion by Black King
Paradigm shifts - Question by Cyracuz
 
  1. Forums
  2. » The awareness of death and its impact on life-
Copyright © 2025 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.03 seconds on 01/17/2025 at 01:22:49