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Tunesia, Egyt and now Yemen: a domino effect in the Middle East?

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 12 Feb, 2011 08:30 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Israel has since the 1967 war exploited Arab intransigence and the U.S. shield to pursue short sighted territorial gains instead of creating a model for peaceful, mutually beneficial coexistence with its neighbors.


Another red letter day; Gob got something right again. But the finger pointing, it just points up what a hypocrite you are, Gob. You don't discuss the frequent incursions of the US into Latin and South American countries to steal their wealth. How has this been "creating a model for peaceful, mutually beneficial coexistence with its neighbors"?

One little tick up doesn't change the fact that you are a lying, self serving hypocrite.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 12 Feb, 2011 09:00 pm
Keep an eye on Cuba.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 12 Feb, 2011 09:02 pm
@realjohnboy,
Why? You should share info if you have it; otherwise, "keep an eye on Cuba" doesn't reveal anything. Why?
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 12 Feb, 2011 09:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
True enough, but it is close to my bedtime. Suffice it for now to suggest that the economy there is unraveling and the political situation could get dicey.
Tomorrow, perhaps, I will write about Cuba.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 12 Feb, 2011 09:35 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:


However, I'm not interested in arguing the point.


Really?

Good night then.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 12 Feb, 2011 09:43 pm
@realjohnboy,
rjb, The reason I'm asking is that a few of us are planning a trip to Cuba during the second week May. I'm anxious to know what's going on before I pay for the trip.
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JPB
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 08:55 am
Ay, yi, yi! Now the much despised police are marching for more pay!!!

CAIRO – Egypt's military leaders dissolved parliament and suspended the constitution Sunday, meeting two key demands of protesters who have been keeping up pressure for immediate steps to transition to democratic, civilian rule after forcing Hosni Mubarak out of power.

The military rulers that took over when Mubarak stepped down Friday and the caretaker government also set as a top priority the restoration of security, which collapsed during the 18 days of protests that toppled the regime.

The protesters had been pressing the ruling military council to immediately move forward with the transition process by appointing a presidential council, dissolving the parliament and releasing detainees.

"In a country like Egypt, with a pharaonic legacy, having no president and no head of state is not easy," said Amr el-Shobaky, a member of the Committee of Wise Men — a self-appointed group of prominent figures who are allied with the protesters and helping mediate in the crisis.

In their latest communique, the ruling council said it will run the country for six months, or until presidential and parliament elections can be held. It said it was forming a committee to amend the constitution and set the rules for popular referendum to endorse the amendments.

Both the lower and upper houses of parliament are being dissolved. The last parliamentary elections in November and December were heavily rigged by the ruling party, virtually shutting out any opposition representation.

The caretaker Cabinet, which was appointed by Mubarak shortly after the mass pro-democracy protests began on Jan. 25, will remain in place until a new Cabinet in formed — a step that is not expected to happen until after elections. The ruling military council reiterated that it would abide by all of Egypt's international treaties agreed in the Mubarak era, most importantly the peace treaty with Israel.

The caretaker government met for the first time since Mubarak stepped down.

"Our concern now in the Cabinet is security, to bring security back to the Egyptian citizen," Prime Minister Ahmed Shafiq told a news conference after the meeting.

The police, hated for their brutality and corruption under decades-old emergency laws, marched Sunday through Tahrir Square to the Interior Ministry, which oversees them. They demanded better pay and conditions, but also sought to absolve themselves of responsibility for the police's attempted crackdown at the start of the protests that killed many demonstrators.

"You have done this inhuman act," one of the Tahrir protesters said to the police. "We no longer trust you."

Hearing the accusations, Said Abdul-Rahim, a low-ranking officer, broke down in tears.

"I didn't do it. I didn't do it," he implored. "All these orders were coming from senior leaders. This is not our fault. "

About 2,000 police demonstrated, at times scuffling with soldiers who tried to disperse them. Some troops fired gunshots in the air, but later withdrew to avoid antagonizing the protesters. A few tanks remained outside the ministry to protect it.

"This is our ministry," the police shouted. "The people and the police are one hand," they chanted, borrowing an expression for unity.

The interior minister, Mahmoud Wagdy, emerged from the building to talk to the police through a megaphone. He said they had a right to be angry.

"Give me a chance," he said.

Yahoo
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JPB
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 09:02 am
From the Guardian blog

2.38pm GMT:
The Egyptian dissident Ayman Nour, who was jailed after standing against standing against Mubarak for the presidency in 2005, has told Reuters the announcement by military leaders (2.08pm) should satisfy protesters. He said: "It is a victory for the revolution."

But not all activists share his views, with many expressing concerns on Twitter:

@ashrafkhalil

No word from generals about incorporation of CIVILIAN voices on ruling council for next 6 months. Disturbing... #Egypt #jan25

@Sandmonkey

So, recap: There is no President, No VP, No constitution, No Parliament, but we are not in charge....Yay? #jan25

@ShereefAbbas

The one thing the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces is failing to do is giving any sort of timeline for anything.. #Jan25

2.10pm: The military said they will run the country for six months, or until presidential and parliament elections can be held.

2.08pm:
Egypt's military rulers have dissolved parliament and suspended the constitution. The announcement came in their latest public statement.
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JPB
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 09:42 am
@realjohnboy,
Cuba released two political prisoners without notice today.
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JPB
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 09:43 am
I'm thinking this isn't going to go over very well...

3:14pm GMT: Reuters reports that the military is about to get tough with protesters, in a move that risks fresh confrontation:


Egypt's new military rulers will issue a warning on Sunday against anyone who creates "chaos and disorder", an army source said.
The Higher Military Council will also ban meetings by labour unions or professional syndicates, effectively forbidding strikes, and tell all Egyptians to get back to work after the unrest that toppled Hosni Mubarak.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 10:30 am
@JPB,
oh oh...
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 11:08 am
Parliment dissolved
Constitution suspended
Army promises to rule only for 6 months or until elections can be held.

There's a new curve ball every day.

realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 11:12 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Which one(s) of these are curve balls?
dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 11:16 am
@JPB,

For much of my life I have steadfastly held to the ideal that we can aspire to live under and within the aspirations of good government, wisely designed and benevolent in its machinations. But, as that wacko St Paul said "there comes a time to put aside childish thoughts."
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revelette
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 12:22 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Parliment dissolved
Constitution suspended
Army promises to rule only for 6 months or until elections can be held.

There's a new curve ball every day.


I agree with realjohnboy, which one of those is the curve-ball? When I first read a little while ago, I thought good, it seems like they are listening to the people.

Quote:
The protesters had been pressing the ruling military council, led by Defense Minister Hussein Tantawi, to immediately move forward with the transition by appointing a presidential council, dissolving the parliament and releasing political prisoners.

"They have definitely started to offer us what we wanted," said activist Sally Touma, reflecting a mix of caution and optimism among the protesters. Thousands have remained in Cairo's central Tahrir Square to demand immediate steps by the council such as the repeal of repressive emergency laws that give police broad power.

The suspension of the constitution effectively puts Egypt under martial law — where the military makes the laws and enforces them in military tribunals. The ruling council is expected to clarify the issue in upcoming statements and the role of civilian courts remains unclear.

Judge Hisham Bastawisi, a reformist judge, said the latest measures "should open the door for free formation of political parties and open the way for any Egyptian to run for presidential elections" which the constitutional amendments are expected to do.

Hossam Bahgat, director of the non-governmental Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights, said the military's steps were positive but warned that Egypt was on uncharted legal ground.

"In the absence of a constitution, we have entered a sort of 'twilight zone' in terms of rules, so we are concerned," he said. "We are clearly monitoring the situation and will attempt to influence the transitional phase so as to respect human rights."

The ruling council said it will run the country for six months, or until presidential and parliament elections can be held. It said it was forming a committee to amend the constitution and set the rules for a popular referendum to endorse the amendments.

Both the lower and upper houses of parliament are being dissolved. The last parliamentary elections in November and December were heavily rigged by the ruling party, virtually shutting out opposition representation.

The caretaker Cabinet, which was appointed by Mubarak shortly after the pro-democracy protests began on Jan. 25, will remain in place until a new Cabinet is formed — a step that is not expected to happen until after elections. The ruling council reiterated that it would abide by all of Egypt's international treaties agreed in the Mubarak era, most importantly the 1979 peace treaty with Israel.

"Our concern now in the Cabinet is security, to bring security back to the Egyptian citizen," Prime Minister Ahmed Shafiq told a news conference after the Cabinet meeting.

Shafiq said the military would decide whether Omar Suleiman, who was appointed vice president by Mubarak in a failed attempt to appease protesters, would play some role in Egypt's transition.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110213/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt

I miss a lot though, maybe I am missing some nuance of the results of those rules or something.

spendius
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 12:42 pm
@revelette,
What you're missing is how Egypt will be made to dance to the tune of the ruling elite.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 12:47 pm
@spendius,
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What you're missing is how Egypt will be made to dance to the tune of the ruling elite.
If all they do is pretend that the will of the great unwashed masses matter they will have made an improvement on what they had under Murbarak.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 12:49 pm
@spendius,
Are you speaking in absolutes? I hope that you are wrong even though you may be right!
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 01:01 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Parliment dissolved
Constitution suspended
Army promises to rule only for 6 months or until elections can be held.

There's a new curve ball every day.
This is a wise move by the military, though since they have made reasonably good moves all along the latest announcement is not exactly a curve. I am not happy that they were so slow to remove Mubarak but this is a highly conservative society, and the military for many years has been taking orders not giving them, so they should get graded on a curve..
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 01:42 pm
http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/peopleandpower/2011/02/201128145549829916.html
Wow!! A bit of the inside job.
 

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