@hawkeye10,
Yes--- something along those lines.
When people like farmerman, cicerone, Setanta, rosbourne and wande etc are holding forth on science, and many are persauded by them, there is something seriously amiss. They know no science. It's a plaything to them.
At least one can have a fire extinguisher ready if a kid is playing with petrol and matches.
How can these gentlemen be acceptable when for 7 years they have steadfastly refused to answer any questions about the consequences of the policies they recommend or concerning how they can be put into effect?
How does one explain to people with their levels of hubris that they can barely read and write and that the hubris is preventing them from all possibility of improvement. 7 years on a site called Able to Know and they have learned nothing. Even their insults are running on the spot.