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failures art
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 05:35 pm
@High Seas,
Ah, some clarification. There is no such law as "sex by surprise." There seems to be a bit of legal theater going on by all parties with this term.
New York Magazine wrote:
Swedish blogger Linea at Feminism and Tea attributes the confusion to a mix-up over a colloquialism for rape:

"Sex by surprise" or överraskningssex as it would be translated in Swedish is slang for rape. It is a term that is used when speaking about rape, but jokingly, or keeping it light, a word that brings with it positive connotations, which makes the word inappropriate in itself, but it is nevertheless synonymous with rape.

full article <-- good read

It strikes me as odd, but then that's a projection of my sensibilities. There seems to be a bit of legal theater going on by all parties with this term. For Assange's lawyer, it downplays the actual accusations. For the Swedish lawyer, the use might be tongue in cheek in return. It appears Assange's defense was the first to use the term publicly not the Swedes. When the Swedes were explaining the allegations to Assange's lawyers, it's unclear how the exchange went in private.

Either way, "Sex by surprize" or "överraskningssex" isn't the claim. It's slang that is used broadly in Sweden apparently. The actual allegation (verbatim) is as follows:

Quote:
The first complainant, a Miss A, said she was the victim of "unlawful coercion" on the night of 14 August in Stockholm. The court heard Assange was alleged to have "forcefully" held her arms and used his bodyweight to hold her down. The second charge alleged he "sexually molested" her by having sex without using a condom, when it was her "express wish" that one should be used.

A third charge claimed Assange "deliberately molested" Miss A on 18 August.

A fourth charge, relating to a Miss W, alleged that on 17 August, he "improperly exploited" the fact she was asleep to have sex with her without a condom.


I read an additional detail that the meeting of Ms A and Ms W prompted one of the women to request Assange to get a STI test, which they claimed he refused to do. That part is not illegal, but fills the gap on how some things came to be. Note the dates of sexual intercourse. A - W - A. So that's the story. Not as confusing or as exciting as "sex by surprize." Far more factual, though. If formally charged, the charge will read "rape lesser crime" which is where I was confused earlier.

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High Seas
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 05:43 pm
@failures art,
failures art wrote:

överraskningssex

Looked it up in a Swedish-German dictionary and the first term translates literally and lingustically exactly as Überraschung, aka surprise. If that's a "lesser rape" charge, what is Swedish for rape? And why would the Stockholm's prosecutor's office use slang terms instead of legal ones? Calling Saab!!

Swedish synonyms (most of them clearly understandable from related English / German words):
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surpris, nyck
förvåning

häpnad, bestörtning, konsternation, chock, överrumpling, kalldusch, blixt från klar himmel, skräll, kupp
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 06:09 pm
@CalamityJane,
Quote:
"use the crime novel as a scalpel cutting open the belly of the ideological pauperized and morally debatable so-called welfare state of the bourgeois type."


You shouldn't be reading stuff like that Cal.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 06:12 pm
Is it just luck that neither of these females were got with child?
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 06:15 pm
Quote:
överrumpling, kalldusch, blixt från klar


I swear to god - 10 to 20 sounds to little for someone doing this! Maybe death penalty?!
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 06:18 pm
Were these two women "one-night-standers"?
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High Seas
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 06:20 pm
@BillW,
Dammit Bill, you know no more Swedish than I do. At least I got a dictionary - try it sometime. This from FA's article in the New York magazine
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Reuters reported on Tuesday that the women who accused Assange were initially only trying to find Assange in order to ask him to be tested for STDs. According to associates of Assange "who have since fallen out with him," they went to the police only after they failed to persuade him. Assange apparently had his cell phone off out of fear he was being traced.

Kate Harding, over at Salon, says that with little information, many have turned to "making light of the sexual assault charges and smearing one of the alleged victims." She singled out a HuffPo column by Naomi Wolf (yes, that Naomi Wolf) as particularly egregious..... But it does give you some idea of why Swedish prosecutor just fell to last place on the list of enviable jobs.

Could someone please find the cartoon with the prosecutors posted on top of a previous page and re-post it - am laughing too hard to do it. Thanks Smile
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 06:24 pm
@High Seas,
I don't believe you HS. You're being affected.
BillW
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 06:28 pm
"förvåning häpnad bestörtning konsternation", she whispered in my ear......

Sorry, it just don't work - I'm just not ready for sex!
High Seas
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 06:34 pm
@spendius,
Absolutely fascinated by Swedish for "thunderbolt from clear sky" - blixt från klar himmel An Ingmar Bergman movie right there!
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High Seas
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 06:36 pm
@BillW,
How's with you go back and do something useful like locating the prosecutors' cartoon? NO Swedish lady is whispering in your ear, get over it!
High Seas
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 06:39 pm
@High Seas,
Got it
http://img.allvoices.com/thumbs/event/609/480/68369096-sex-charges.jpg
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 06:39 pm
overrumpling?

High Seas
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 06:45 pm
@ossobuco,
I've no clue what it means, either, but I got the spelling down pat: överrumpling doesn't sound too good, does it Laughing
BillW
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 06:48 pm
@High Seas,
Quote:
How's with you go back and do something useful like locating the prosecutors' cartoon? NO Swedish lady is whispering in your ear, get over it!


Sorry, I was eating some Cherrios, I knew you coul handle it!
failures art
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 06:48 pm
@High Seas,
Just so we're clear, "överraskningssex" isn't the name of any charge. It's not a legal term, only a slang term. The charge would be "rape lesser crime" (insert translator wizard). The term is media gold, so I think many have run with it. Nothing new about soundbytes.

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High Seas
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 06:50 pm
@BillW,
You were right. Now you go ahead and figure out what the "överrumpling" accusation against Assange means, we're in the dark here Smile
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High Seas
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 06:53 pm
@failures art,
So "rape lesser crime" was the legal translation of the överrumpling charge? Sure sounded better in the original. The cartoon summarizes charges so far Smile
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 06:57 pm
http://www.toonpool.com/user/167/files/wikileaksschadenbegrenzung_1069825.jpg
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 06:59 pm
@High Seas,
I have an estonian friend who speaks swedish, I may have to ask her..
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