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WikiLeaks about to hit the fan

 
 
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 07:04 pm
That's German, BillW, and pretty funny, if you know Westerwelle.

overrumpling = ueberrumpeln (German) and means to catch someone by
surprise (surprise, surprise). Very Happy
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 07:08 pm
Is there a cat fight engolfing between Gillard and Julie Bishop?

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Ms Gillard says she only meant it was against the law to steal classified cables, not release them as the whistleblower website has done in recent weeks.

But Acting Opposition Leader Julie Bishop says Ms Gillard should admit she went beyond that.

"There is no room here for the Prime Minister to weasel out of it," she said.

Ms Bishop says Ms Gillard's comments were irresponsible.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 07:11 pm
@CalamityJane,
Jane - our friend Bill here had started dreaming about Swedish ladies murmuring into his ear something about rumpled sheets and your pedestrian German translation brought him down to earth with a thud. You better send him another box of Cheerios for Christmas!
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 07:13 pm
@High Seas,
Every dream has to come to an end sometime Wink
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 07:14 pm
I have been very much overrumpled!
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 07:32 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Actually I am surprised that most of the Support Assange campaign has taken place on the internet, despite the obvious connection to the medium of WikkiLeaks, because I have difficulty believing it can be as effective as having people leaving the comfort and security of their homes to stage physical demonstrations in a public place.

Given sufficient publicity, I can't imagine it’s very hard to get thousands of digital "signatures" on any on-line petition. If I were a government leader I would certainly judge as more passionate and committed a person joining a protest rally in from of an official building than one who hits a few keys and signs an on-line petition.

Perhaps in this way Australia differs from the US.

If US politicians and leaders actually appreciated the power off the internet, the massive cables leak may never have been allowed to happen. I doubt they look to it, other than in terms of polling results, to put their finger on the pulse of the American people.

In any case, unless there are revelations from with the Australian government that the Support Assange campaign actually influenced its decision on how to communicate and act, assumptions that it did are pure speculation.


I don’t think, Finn, that it so much that Australia is “different to the United states”, it’s more a case that this particular issue has been treated very differently compared to previous major political campaigns I can recall in Oz. For example, opposition to our country’s decision to become involved in the invasion of Iraq drew massive rallies here. Some of the largest ever seen in our cities. Public demonstrations are definitely not unusual here, but this campaign has entirely different in nature. Why an internet campaign in this particular instance, rather than “taking to the streets”? Because an immediate response was required in response to events which were occurring, thick & fast. This was actually the best & fastest way, in my opinion, for us to respond in the circumstances.

As I mentioned in my post, the focus of the Wikileaks campaign here has been the Australian government. Both examples I gave you were in the form of open letters to the PM. And I believe they have been extremely effective in making the public’s opposition to our government’s stance known. Which was: that many of us totally rejected what our government had said and done in response to Wikileaks.

It is very unusual here for something like 6 thousand people to add their names, as online signatories of the open letter posted on the ABC. At extremely short notice. I can’t recall anything like that ever having occurred here before.

I also cannot recall just about ever every media publisher in this country publicly standing up to the government as they did in their open letter. That also hasn’t happened before. Declaring publicly that they supported freedom of information & rejected any government pressure to be silenced on the Wikileaks .

As a result, our government has considerably softened its initial aggressive stance. In fact it's gone pretty much silent on Wikileaks. And, even though it was not the intention of the public campaigns, this government’s electoral support has slumped considerably. The most recent opinion polls tell us that the current government would lose office if an election was held soon. I’m certain that the perceived lack of leadership on this issue has been an important contributing factor.

So I would argue that this is not just armchair activism, from “the comfort and security of our homes”. It was simply the most effective response open to us at very short notice. And I believe it has gotten our message across to the government, loud & clear. What more could we ask for?

What form/s any future campaign/s might take, I can't tell you. Because I don't know. It will most likely depend on what eventuates & what responses are considered to be most effective at the time.

One of the requests (from the first open letter), which our prime minister has not addressed, is this one. And I believe that it should be. (As do all the signatories on the open letter to the PM, obviously) There is genuine concern here about Julian Assange's safety & his rights.

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"We therefore call upon you to condemn, on behalf of the Australian Government, calls for physical harm to be inflicted upon Mr Assange and to state publicly that you will ensure Mr Assange receives the rights and protections to which he is entitled, irrespective of whether the unlawful threats against him come from individuals or states."


If you have any further questions or comments about this post, I may have to respond at a later time, Finn. I’m very short of time today. Pre-Christmas commitments are going to keep me occupied. Frivolous reasons, I know. Wink But that’s how things are today.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 07:32 pm
@BillW,
Yes, but unlike Assange you're not wearing an electronic tag. The decent thing for the NYT/Spiegel et al (who published the same documents as WikiLeaks) to do is to contribute to his legal defense fund. If he must stand accused of any leaks, so should all of them. Hang together or hang separately.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 07:49 pm
One question, before I run, to those of you who might be able to shed a bit of light on this.
I have come across brief & not very detailed references about the NYTimes being pressured by the US government regarding its publication of the leaks.
Is this correct?
If so, if you can supply any more detail I'd be very interested to learn more.
failures art
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 08:00 pm
As I noted last evening, I had a really great read. It's gained a great deal of attention amongst analysts I've read. It's a blog post that analyzes two of Assange's essay's he wrote in late 2006 (around the time WL was being started).

I decided that since this thread has largely been talking current events around Assange/WL, I could justify making a separate thread to discuss the philosophy of his essays. This way both current events and philosophy can be discussed in parallel with less overlap.

Assange on Conspiracy 2006

This alters how I view this situation in many ways.

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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 08:11 pm
@CalamityJane,
aha, thanks.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 08:12 pm
@High Seas,
I didna think it was sheets that were rumpled...

Where's lmur, one of the funniest people on a2k, though he tends to be gracious - to intervene..
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failures art
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 09:59 pm
Rough year for Assange. First he gets passed up for Time PotY, and now he get's third place on the Onion's 20 People who Mattered in 2010.

Mr. Green

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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 10:01 pm
@failures art,
He did meet a cute guy in jail.......
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2010 05:27 am
According to CBS News a lady named Heidi Jones has had the NYPD wasting large amounts of public money on an invented allegation that she was sexually molested in Central Park by a Hispanic looking gentleman.
djjd62
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2010 06:03 am
@failures art,
failures art wrote:
The warrant issued by Sweden was issued by a second prosecutor. It wasn't the same person who issued the first warrant for Assange. I'm not sure if it's been pointed out that it's a different person leading investigation.


which means it could be politics of a whole different sort, someone trying to make a name for themselves
djjd62
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2010 06:06 am
@spendius,
it seems she was feeling rather down and wanted the sympathy of friends and family, surely a puppy would be a better option if one felt lonely
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2010 06:08 am
This thread, always rather surreal, has recently gone straight to hell. Even the entertainment value is waning.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2010 06:10 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
I'm not your lacky, bright boy. I you want to review the thread, you'll find my responses to your posts. I'm not here to lead you around by the nose.
failures art
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2010 06:46 am
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

failures art wrote:
The warrant issued by Sweden was issued by a second prosecutor. It wasn't the same person who issued the first warrant for Assange. I'm not sure if it's been pointed out that it's a different person leading investigation.


which means it could be politics of a whole different sort, someone trying to make a name for themselves

I had not thought about that.

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saab
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2010 06:50 am
överrumpling is not a verz good word to use.
Better is the verb överrumpla = catch unaware
Överraskningssex = surprise sex should not be used in connection with rape.
It should be used more in a nice connection. "WOW he prefered me to his beloved soccergame this afternoon"
The the word rape in Swedish is våldtäckt. Våld =power, force Täcka = cover or supply one´s needs of
 

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