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WikiLeaks about to hit the fan

 
 
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 06:12 am
@msolga,
Source
Quote:
Chomsky signs Australian letter of support for Assange
By Amy Coopes (AFP) – 5 hours ago
SYDNEY — Renowned American scholar and activist Noam Chomsky signed an open letter to Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard on Tuesday urging her to make a "strong statement" in support of Julian Assange.
Chomsky, a professor of linguistics at the US Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a prominent critic of US foreign policy, joined scores of high-profile Australian lawyers, authors and journalists in signing the letter.
Noting the "increasingly violent rhetoric" directed towards Australian-born Assange, the besieged founder of whistleblowing website WikiLeaks, the signatories said there were "grave concerns" for his safety.
"We therefore call upon you to condemn, on behalf of the Australian Government, calls for physical harm to be inflicted upon Mr Assange, and to state publicly that you will ensure Mr Assange receives the rights and protections to which he is entitled, irrespective of whether the unlawful threats against him come from individuals or states," says the letter, published on the ABC website.


Full story
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 06:50 am
Going onto midnight here & there are now 3441 comments registered on the ABC site.
Still can't get in. I don't think the ABC had any idea of what it was in for!


Anyway, this may be of interest to some of you. It certainly was for me.
From (Oz ABC ) Radio National's Late Night Live:

Quote:
Radio interview: Veteran Australian journalist John Pilger discusses the latest twists and turns in the Wikileaks case.

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/latenightlive/stories/2010/3086240.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 07:27 am
Woo hoo, finally got in again!

What a moment! Very Happy

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/41914.html
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 07:47 am
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

Source
Quote:
Chomsky signs Australian letter of support for Assange
By Amy Coopes (AFP) – 5 hours ago
SYDNEY — Renowned American scholar and activist Noam Chomsky signed an open letter to Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard on Tuesday urging her to make a "strong statement" in support of Julian Assange.
Chomsky, a professor of linguistics at the US Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a prominent critic of US foreign policy, joined scores of high-profile Australian lawyers, authors and journalists in signing the letter.
Noting the "increasingly violent rhetoric" directed towards Australian-born Assange, the besieged founder of whistleblowing website WikiLeaks, the signatories said there were "grave concerns" for his safety.
"We therefore call upon you to condemn, on behalf of the Australian Government, calls for physical harm to be inflicted upon Mr Assange, and to state publicly that you will ensure Mr Assange receives the rights and protections to which he is entitled, irrespective of whether the unlawful threats against him come from individuals or states," says the letter, published on the ABC website.


Full story


Now there's a shocker!
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 08:11 am
Quote:

Geoffrey Robertson to defend Assange

Paola Totaro, London, Dylan Welch and Joel Gibson
December 8, 2010


AUSTRALIAN-BORN human rights lawyer Geoffrey Robertson, QC, has cut short his summer holiday in Sydney to represent WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange after he turns himself in to British police.


Mr Robertson and another specialist extradition lawyer from his Doughty Street Chambers are to act for Mr Assange who was expected to surrender to police late yesterday and appear in a magistrate's court to argue for bail. A full hearing of the extradition case must be heard within 28 days.

But London legal sources warned that the European arrest warrant issued for Mr Assange over sexual assault claims in Sweden is difficult to ''avoid or challenge''. He and his lawyers plan to fight the extradition with every available resource. There is growing fear that this case could lead to a hand-over to US authorities in the wake of the release of hundreds of thousands of US diplomatic cables.

The Age believes that Mr Robertson, whose chambers are one of the few with a specialist in extradition proceedings with Scandinavian nations, has been in contact with Assange about his defence and met federal Attorney-General Robert McClelland about the case.

The imminent surrender of Mr Assange is unfolding as his whistleblower website continued to battle a seemingly global effort to block release of further information led by the US Attorney-General, Eric Holder. Mr Holder said he had authorised significant actions aimed at prosecuting the WikiLeaks founder but he refused to specify what these might be.

''The lives of people who work for the American people have been put at risk. The American people themselves have been put at risk by these actions that I believe are arrogant, misguided and ultimately not helpful in any way,'' he said.

Mr Assange, 39, is reported by The Guardian to be seeking supporters to put up surety and bail to stave off attempts to hold him. He has reportedly told friends he is increasingly convinced the US is behind Swedish prosecutors' attempts to extradite him.

He has previously said that the original allegations were the product of ''personal issues'' but he believes Sweden has behaved as ''a cipher'' for the US. .....<cont>


http://www.theage.com.au/world/geoffrey-robertson-to-defend-assange-20101207-18oc6.html
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 08:27 am
Prosecute Assange Under the Espionage Act

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703989004575653280626335258.html?mod=djemEditorialPage_h

This from US liberal stalwart Senator Dianne Feinstein (although Ms Feinstein is likely not Liberal enough for Noam Chomsky and some of our Lefty firends on A2K)

Quote:
When WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange released his latest document trove—more than 250,000 secret State Department cables—he intentionally harmed the U.S. government. The release of these documents damages our national interests and puts innocent lives at risk. He should be vigorously prosecuted for espionage.

The law Mr. Assange continues to violate is the Espionage Act of 1917. That law makes it a felony for an unauthorized person to possess or transmit "information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation."


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In a letter sent to Mr. Assange and his lawyer on Nov. 27, State Department Legal Adviser Harold Hongju Koh warned in strong terms that the documents had been obtained "in violation of U.S. law and without regard for the grave consequences of this action."

Mr. Koh's letter said that publication of the documents in Mr. Assange's possession would, at minimum:

• "Place at risk the lives of countless innocent individuals—from journalists to human rights activists and bloggers to soldiers to individuals providing information to further peace and security;

• "Place at risk on-going military operations, including operations to stop terrorists, traffickers in human beings and illicit arms, violent criminal enterprises and other actors that threaten global security; and,

• "Place at risk on-going cooperation between countries—partners, allies and common stakeholders—to confront common challenges from terrorism to pandemic diseases to nuclear proliferation that threaten global stability."


His supporters cry: “But where is the proof that anyone has been physically harmed by these leaks?”

By that logic I should be able to randomly fire a gun in a shopping mall, because there is no advance proof that I will harm anyone, and if I don’t actually harm anyone, I should not be prosecuted.

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The "damage to national security" is beyond question. As for intent, Mr. Assange's own words paint a damning picture.

In June, the New Yorker reported that Mr. Assange has asserted that a "social movement" set on revealing secrets could "bring down many administrations that rely on concealing reality—including the U.S. administration." The same piece revealed Mr. Assange's stunning disregard for the grave harm his actions could bring to innocent people, which he dismisses as "collateral damage."


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Director of National Intelligence James Clapper: “The actions taken by WikiLeaks are not only deplorable, irresponsible, and reprehensible—they could have major impacts on our national security. The disclosure of classified documents puts at risk our troops, law enforcement, diplomats, and especially the American people."


For better or worse the world has changed quite a bit in the last 50 or so years. Imagine what would have happened if Julian Assange was releasing this information when JFK was president.

JPB
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 08:40 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
There have always been martyrs for various causes. He picked a cause, now we get to see if goes anywhere towards any real change in policy beyond battening down the intranet at the Pentagon.

Some of this stuff is fascinating. But, that's easy for me to say because my name won't show up in any of those documents. I'm not big on "acceptable collateral damage".
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 08:41 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Just curious, Finn.
Can a non-US citizen be prosecuted under the Espionage Act? Are there instances of this having occurred in the past?
When was the last time anyone was prosecuted under the Act & for what reason?
Also, could a US newspaper like the NYT be prosecuted under the Act, given that it disseminated the leaked material?
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 08:58 am
@msolga,
Come to think of it, what about the newspapers that are not in the US, which have also disseminated the leaked material?
It could be argued that they have "harmed US interests", too.
If that's how dissemination of the material is interpreted.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:03 am
@msolga,
Actually, newspapers - here the New York Times - have already printed classified information and "communicated the information to others to the detriment of U.S. national security". (In 2005 it disclosed the existence of the National Security Agency's terrorist surveillance program. In 2006 it disclosed the U.S.'s efforts to track terrorists' financial transactions through bank records. In July 2010 it was complicit in WikiLeaks's disclosure of some 92,000 U.S. military documents related to the Afghan War. In October, it helped publicize WikiLeaks's access to 400,000 U.S. military documents related to the Iraq War. And in November it helped with the disclosure of 250,000 diplomatic cables.)

I wonder what might be the convincing reason in principle not to prosecute the US-newspaper NYTimes for espionage and treason but the Australian citizen Julian Assange.
dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:03 am
@msolga,
Whoa!
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:08 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Yes. That would be my thinking, too, Walter.



msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:10 am
@dlowan,
Quote:
Whoa!

I know.
A pretty amazing development, Deb.
Can't do much better than have Geoffry Robertson representing you.
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JPB
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:10 am
@msolga,
Wasn't he claiming that he was disseminating information under the right of a free press?
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:11 am
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

Just curious, Finn.
Can a non-US citizen be prosecuted under the Espionage Act?

Yes

Are there instances of this having occurred in the past?

Not certain

When was the last time anyone was prosecuted under the Act & for what reason?

Believe it was Samuel Loring Morison in 1985 who was convicted of passing classified information to a UK magazine.

Also, could a US newspaper like the NYT be prosecuted under the Act, given that it disseminated the leaked material?

Yes
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:16 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

Some of this stuff is fascinating. But, that's easy for me to say because my name won't show up in any of those documents. I'm not big on "acceptable collateral damage".


Good point, JPB. For most of us, our electronic privacy concerns involve something like Facebook. Electronic privacy concerns stemming from Wikileaks may actually cost some people their lives or they will be jailed as political prisoners in their countries.
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:18 am
@JPB,
Quote:
Wasn't he claiming that he was disseminating information under the right of a free press?


Yes, JPB
And obviously the US government would have an entirely different attitude toward this than, say, the Australians who have been endorsing the online petition to our prime minister.
We would argue that we have every right to know about the details of what our governments are deciding ... as citizens of democracies. We'd believe Julian Assange has done nothing wrong by releasing that information.

But I was responding to Finn's "Espionage Act" post.
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:23 am
I'll have to go to bed soon. It's late.
Just checked the open letter to our prime Minister.
3645 posts so far. Pretty incredible.
There's obviously a lot of concern out there in the Oz community.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/41914.html
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:27 am
Is not all this beside the point which is the structural weakness in the system. Not everybody engaged in crime control is out hunting the bank robbers. Some are engaged in making banks harder to rob.

This high-tech communications system we have might not fit with our sacred constitutional arrangements which pre-date the systems, and especially the Pony Express. which was operational when constitutions were settling into rigid forms.

The only justification for hunting the bank robbers is deterrence of others and vengeance. Which, from this case, and others of a whistle-blowing nature, one might say doesn't prevent the infractions, if such they are. It might even encourage them. Julien Hero. Deep Throat.

It was an event waiting to happen. Like with the bad priests the screening of personnel was ineffective and the cost of the screening was all wasted along with the expertise involved. It's a system failure. Mr Assange is really irrelevant now.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:29 am
Hutber's Law. Improvement means deterioration.
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