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WikiLeaks about to hit the fan

 
 
failures art
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 08:53 am
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

failures art wrote:

I don't get it. What information could be of value that twitter users have? What personal data could be of interest?

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From the story in the Guardian, it seems like they are looking for eyewitness information on contacts between Assange and Manning.

I get it now. I missed some details earlier. I thought this was a letter sent to Walter wanting Walter's info. Late night shift, so I wasn't running on a full tank.

I got it now, but thanks for the clarification.

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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 09:06 am
@BillW,
BillW wrote:

True - but, others don't see it that way. Whether it be Manning or the overt terrorist acts. So goes the world <sigh>


There are the fools and the deranged who view these people as heroes, and who help to enable their misdeeds. I don't suppose there is anything to be done about them other than ridicule and shunning. Unless they actually provide material assistance to the miscreants, they have every right (At least in most Western nations) to think, write, and talk about them as they see fit. I wouldn't change that.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 09:33 am
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

I'm neutral to negative on Manning, but his incarceration - if I understand it - is proto abysmal.


I'm sure he finds it abysmal.

His supporters are characterizing the conditions of his incarceration as inhumane torture, but there's also the following from the Weekly Standard:

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Don't Cry for Bradley Manning
By JOHN MCCORMACKS

Bradley Manning, the soldier accused of giving Julian Assange all of those classified cables, is being held "under conditions that constitute cruel and inhumane treatment and, by the standards of many nations, even torture," according to lefty blogger Glenn Greenwald. Keith Olbermann, running with Greenwald's blog post, is equally outraged. Just how bad are things for the alleged traitor Manning?

This bad: Manning only gets access to basic local TV for one to three hours on weekdays and three to six hours on weekends; only gets two hours and twenty minutes a day to write correspondence; only has access to one magazine or book at a time; only gets one hour of exercise a day; only gets to meet with visitors for three hours a day on weekends and holidays.

And yet, because the man accused of leaking sensitive national security information isn't allowed to chat with his fellow inmates, he is enduring "inhumane, personality-erasing, soul-destroying, insanity-inducing conditions," according to Greenwald, who never gets around to spelling out what exactly would constitute humane conditions for an accused criminal like Manning.


JPB
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 09:58 am
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

US tells Twitter to hand over WikiLeaks supporter's messages

Clearly Facebook and Google would have been handed similar demands but just folded. I wonder if Craven got one too?


I don't think they mean supporters in the way you're taking it. I think they mean folks who have given financial or other tangible support to Assange.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 11:18 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

hingehead wrote:

US tells Twitter to hand over WikiLeaks supporter's messages

Clearly Facebook and Google would have been handed similar demands but just folded. I wonder if Craven got one too?


I don't think they mean supporters in the way you're taking it. I think they mean folks who have given financial or other tangible support to Assange.


I think you are absolutely correct.

They are looking for a way to connect Assange to Manning through conspiracy charges. They'll get nowhere reading the Twitter and Facebook posts of thousands of people who see them as heroes, but who never had any actual interaction with them.

If they can link you to Assange or Manning in someway other than mere admiration or sympathy, you will, obviously, come under scrutiny.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 11:20 am
@JPB,
The Associated Press has also reported on the story:

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US court demands WikiLeaks' Twitter account info
(By RAPHAEL G. SATTER, Associated Press, January 8, 2011)

LONDON – U.S. investigators have gone to court to demand the details of WikiLeaks' Twitter account, according to documents obtained Saturday, part of the criminal case which Washington is trying to build against the secret-spilling website.

WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange said he believed other American Internet companies such as Facebook and Google may also have been ordered to divulge information on himself and colleagues.

The U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia issued a subpoena ordering Twitter Inc. to hand over private messages, billing information, telephone numbers and connection records of accounts run by Assange and others.

The subpoena also targeted Pfc. Bradley Manning, the U.S. Army intelligence analyst suspected of supplying the site with classified information; Birgitta Jonsdottir, an Icelandic parliamentarian and one-time WikiLeaks collaborator; and Dutch hacker Rop Gonggrijp and U.S. programmer Jacob Appelbaum, both of whom have worked with WikiLeaks in the past.

The subpoena, dated Dec. 14, asked for information dating back to November 1, 2009.

Assange blasted the U.S. move, saying it amounted to harassment, and vowed to fight it.

"If the Iranian government was to attempt to coercively obtain this information from journalists and activists of foreign nations, human rights groups around the world would speak out," he said in a statement.

A copy of the subpoena, sent to The Associated Press by Jonsdottir, said that the information sought was "relevant to an ongoing criminal investigation" and ordered Twitter not to disclose its existence to Assange or any of the others targeted.

But a second document, dated Jan. 5, unsealed the court order. Although the reason wasn't made explicit in the document, WikiLeaks said it had been unsealed "thanks to legal action by Twitter."

The micro-blogging site Twitterr declined to comment on the topic, saying only that its policy is to notify its users, where possible, of government requests for information.

Neither Facebook Inc. nor Google Inc. immediately returned messages seeking comment Saturday on possible subpoenas.

In Washington, the U.S. government volunteered little new information Saturday about its ongoing criminal investigation against Assange and WikiLeaks after news of its subpoena leaked. Under rules governing grand jury investigations — in which U.S. prosecutors present evidence and testimony to selected private citizens behind closed doors to seek their approval to formally file charges — government lawyers are not allowed to discuss the case until charges are announced publicly.

It was not immediately clear how the data being requested would be useful to investigators, but Twitter's logs could reveal the Internet addresses that Assange and WikiLeaks supporters have been using, which could help track their locations as they traveled around the world. The information also might identify others with official access to WikiLeaks' account on Twitter who so far have escaped scrutiny.

While the order targeting Twitter is almost certainly a minor part of the government's investigation, it is significant because it confirms the wide-ranging nature of the case.

Jonsdottir said in a Twitter message that she had "no intention to hand my information over willingly." Appelbaum, whose Twitter feed suggested he was traveling in Iceland, said he was apprehensive about returning to the U.S.

"Time to try to enjoy the last of my vacation, I suppose," he tweeted.

Gonggrijp expressed annoyance that officials had misspelled his last name in the subpoena — and praised Twitter for notifying him.

"It appears that Twitter, as a matter of policy, does the right thing in wanting to inform their users when one of these comes in," Gonggrijp said. "Heaven knows how many places have received similar subpoenas and just quietly submitted all they had on me."

The news of the subpoena follows months of angry back and forth between U.S. officials and WikiLeaks, which has released thousands of secret U.S. military documents on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and more recently, thousands of classified U.S. diplomatic cables.

U.S. officials say posting the military documents put informers' lives at risk, and that revealing diplomatic cables has made other countries reluctant to deal with American officials.

WikiLeaks denies that its postings put any lives at risk, saying that Washington merely is acting out of embarrassment over the revelations contained in the cables.

Although its relations with the U.S. government have been ugly, WikiLeaks and its tech-savvy staff have relied on American Internet and finance companies to raise funds, disseminate material and get their message out.

WikiLeaks' frequently updated Facebook page, for example, counts 1.5 million fans and its Twitter account has a following of more than 600,000. Until recently, the group raised donations via U.S. companies PayPal Inc., MasterCard Inc., and Visa Inc., and hosted material on Amazon.com's servers.

But the group's use of American companies has come under increasing pressure as it continues to reveal U.S. secrets. PayPal and the credit card companies severed their links with site and Amazon.com booted WikiLeaks from its servers last month.

The actions sparked a cyberwar with WikiLeaks sympathizers, who attacked the company's sites for days.

Assange is currently in Britain, where he is fighting extradition to Sweden on sex crimes allegations. His next hearing is scheduled for Tuesday.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 11:26 am
@wandeljw,
What ever happened to "freedom of speech" in our country? "Twitter" under court demand?
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 11:29 am
@wandeljw,
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WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange said he believed other American Internet companies such as Facebook and Google may also have been ordered to divulge information on himself and colleagues.


Quote:
The subpoena also targeted Pfc. Bradley Manning, the U.S. Army intelligence analyst suspected of supplying the site with classified information; Birgitta Jonsdottir, an Icelandic parliamentarian and one-time WikiLeaks collaborator; and Dutch hacker Rop Gonggrijp and U.S. programmer Jacob Appelbaum, both of whom have worked with WikiLeaks in the past.


Hardly a witch-hunt.
JPB
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 11:29 am
@cicerone imposter,
I believe it was spendius who stated, "We have the freedom to be good."
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 11:35 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Hardly a witch-hunt.


Normal investigation, which wants to get "all mailing addresses and billing information known for the user, all connection records and session times, all IP addresses used to access Twitter, all known email accounts, as well as the 'means and source of payment,' including banking records and credit cards" of some foreigners.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 11:36 am
@JPB,
"To be good" for what purpose? What does he mean by "good?"
It's okay for our government to harass and threaten non-citizens?
JPB
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 11:37 am
@cicerone imposter,
To not make waves, or otherwise rock the boat. I believe there was a strong vein of sarcasm in the statement.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 11:42 am
@JPB,
I'm guilty of calling a spade a spade, and even have criticized the current administrations (I criticize both the liberals and conservatives) for what I see are bad decisions. Isn't that supposed to be all part and parcel of our constitution?
JPB
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 11:45 am
@cicerone imposter,
Sure, until a Joe McCarthy comes along and claims otherwise.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 11:48 am
@JPB,
OUCH!
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 11:54 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
What does he mean by "good?"


Avoiding making enemies.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 11:55 am
@failures art,
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I don't get it. What information could be of value that twitter users have? What personal data could be of interest?


If you're not with us [in killing the innocents of the world] then you're agin us. Vee have ways to make you talk. Ever heard of Guantanamo?

Twitter, Facebook and the like are headed for the dumpster.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 12:00 pm
@spendius,
How does one make enemies by telling the truth?
BillW
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 12:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
If the truth impairs the enemy.......
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 12:04 pm
@JPB,
We have a Joe McCarthy in short pants in Finn.
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