WikiLeaks about to hit the fan

@JPB,

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I don't read it that way but I haven't visited their site to know otherwise. I think CJ was there early on... maybe she knows.

Good idea. I have a mistrust of WikiLeaks to begin with. My reading may be affected by that. Still, WikiLeaks is unpredictable and apparently is unable to do any redacting on its own.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Yes I stand behind those statements and what the hell does not caring about the details of it internal government as long as the set up guard against a third case of German armies marching over it borders do with any of my other statements?

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@BillRM,

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Yes, they were kind enough to pay over $61 billion

Compare this to the $5 billion the USA promised to Vietnam. Still unpaid.

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the remaining Nazis was too busy running and hiding in South American to pay us back.

Lord how silly can one get.

Only those Nazis who had no knowledge of horrific modes of torturing and killing people. Only the Nazis who didn't have access to biological and chemical weapons. Those Nazis were welcomed with open arms by the US, even as the US was prosecuting others for war crimes.

Lord how stupid can you get, Bill? I think you should stop trying to provide a defence for the USA. It's simply not possible to smooch makeup on and dress a pig up in finery and expect people to dance with her.

Even if it was, you're way way too stupid to attempt such a venture.

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@BillRM,

Your understanding of "real" history is non-existent. Give it up; you only make yourself look more stupid.

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@JPB,

They're starting to retire the propaganda garden hoses in favor of the propaganda fire hoses.

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@wandeljw,

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The human rights organizations welcome the information but wish WikiLeaks had the "same safeguards as traditional journalism."

WikiLeaks needs the same set of standards and practices used by traditional journalism. Without that, WikiLeaks behaves like a drunk driver on a very busy street.

Stop the nonesense, Wandel. The USA never had any problem with exposing any person or organization when it fit their agenda. They send people to countries to have them tortured and murdered for christ's sake. They have their own prisons in lands where brutal dictators do their bidding and you have the gall to come here and try to demean WikiLeaks.

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@wandeljw,

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The article also mentions, "...Taliban had said it would study the WikiLeaks documents to punish collaborators with the Americans."

They were going to torture them but they decided that it would be much more painful to deport them to the US.

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@JTT,

JTT, Thanks for the balance; most people forget about our own government lies about yellow cake and its attempts to destroy Wilson who was requested by our own CIA to investigate, and found the documents were fraudulent.

As I've said many times before, I don't trust our government. This is but another evidence to support my skepticism of how our government treats our own citizens.

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@wandeljw,

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I have a mistrust of WikiLeaks to begin with. My reading may be affected by that.

Ya think?

“Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like it’s from Neptune.”
-Noam Chomsky

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From allies to enemies: how 'The Guardian' fell out with Assange

Ian Burrell examines the bitter fall-out from the WikiLeaks saga
Saturday, 8 January 2011

One afternoon last November, the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange collected his lawyer and entered the office of Alan Rusbridger, editor of The Guardian newspaper.

He had every reason to be pleased: within days the name of his website would be spewing from every media outlet and his reputation as the world's leading "freedom of information warrior" would be confirmed.

But the visit was not a happy one. Assange had come to threaten the newspaper with legal action if it went ahead with plans to run stories based on the vast quantity of US government material leaked to his website.
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The relationship between Assange and the newspaper had by this point descended into one that involved "distrust and anger", becoming so acrimonious that the WikiLeaks founder claimed it had breached an agreement on the publication of the data which he saw as his own.

In a detailed account of the tensions, Vanity Fair magazine reports that Assange argued that "he owned the information and had a financial interest in how and when it was released".

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I'm not really bothered by his statement about ownership or financial interest. Based on my own analysis of Assange, I don't think the leaks themselves are as important as the release strategy.

He's not leaking these documents for anyone's benefit. I think plenty of people seem to get excited at the idea of having access to the information, but I think it's false to assume that he's releasing them because he thinks people should have them.

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@failures art,

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Based on my own analysis of Assange, I don't think the leaks themselves are as important as the release strategy.

Given your status as a dyed in the wool apologist for US criminal actions, that really doesn't mean a whole lot.

I think that future revelations will prove things a whole lot rougher, a whole lot more damaging for the USA. Do you think the poison pills will simply contain information that Reagan preferred boxers and Nancy briefs? Do you think that given the evil the USA has been involved in since forever that people in high places aren't shitting bricks?

No, of course not. That's why you've followed this role as one you perceive is mild in its deception.

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@JTT,

I'm basing my analysis of Assange on Assange's own political essays on conspiracy written in 2006 at the same time he founded wikileaks. I created a thread on the essays to address this specifically. Forget my analysis if you don't trust it, Assange's own words say what he wants if you are paying attention.

I'm not sweating bullets on what's in the "poison pill." The insurance file being not released is just as much a part of a releasing strategy as any other part of what Assange has done thus far.

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US tells Twitter to hand over WikiLeaks supporter's messages

Clearly Facebook and Google would have been handed similar demands but just folded. I wonder if Craven got one too?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I'm neutral to negative on Manning, but his incarceration - if I understand it - is proto abysmal.

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@hingehead,

Hmm. Should I ask my bank to whom they send my Mastercard and Visa data ....

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@Walter Hinteler,

Quite a few - not living in the USA nor US-citizens! - got this email ...

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.... with that attachment

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Complete copy of "Supoena Dec. 14, 2010"

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@Walter Hinteler,

I don't get it. What information could be of value that twitter users have? What personal data could be of interest?

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@failures art,

This is the attachment of the subpoena (link above)

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@failures art,

failures art wrote:

I don't get it. What information could be of value that twitter users have? What personal data could be of interest?

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From the story in the Guardian, it seems like they are looking for eyewitness information on contacts between Assange and Manning.

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