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WikiLeaks about to hit the fan

 
 
failures art
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 08:46 pm
@hingehead,
I got the joke.

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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 09:22 pm
@failures art,
I can see him wearing his chaps now - "Broke Back..............
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 09:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Human thinking - for most - have changed with the times.


NONSENSE..............
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 10:03 pm
@spendius,
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We rebuilt Germany.


WE REBUILT GERMEN YES ........

First tell me that the Nazis would had been so kind if the situation had been reverse.

Second the 'Carthage solution' was consider by our ww2 leadership concerning Germany by that name as a matter of fact.

Look if up we did consider turning all of Germany into farmland.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 02:01 am
@BillRM,
Instead, the US got "intellectual reparations", forced labour, various pther reparations ...

That and all about Potsdam and the Paris Treaty is no secret.

Which brings me back to WikiLeaks.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 04:23 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Yes we are evil and should had allow Germany to wipe out the population of the USSR for living room as they had planned to do.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 05:09 am
@BillRM,
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Second the 'Carthage solution' was consider by our ww2 leadership concerning Germany by that name as a matter of fact.


By Stalin yes. It wasn't a serious option for the West. The mild winter helped.

JTT- It wasn't a crime. Crime is not subjectively defined. Is the inequality of wealth a crime?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 05:57 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Yes we are evil and should had allow Germany to wipe out the population of the USSR for living room as they had planned to do.


That's the reason for the reparations and forced labour of the POW's?
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 06:06 am
Good gracious!! One uses a perfectly ordinary English word and some contributors reflex into thoughts of gentlemen's bottoms. Cor blimey!!

I apologise that my gauche innocence has caused such lascivious thoughts to flood their minds.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 07:44 am
@spendius,
Stalin suggested that the most of the officer corp of the German army around 50,000 be hung just to start with.

Given the hell that the Russian people had just gone through it is hard even to blamed a sociopath such as Stalin for such wishes.

The Carthage solution however did have some supports in the West as well.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 08:00 am
@BillRM,
Obviously it would have some support. But I don't think it was a serious runner. Even Stalin's proposal to hang the lot of them was dismissed. Our side had become more civilised by then. There was money to be made. And plenty of farmland elsewhere.

It's not turned out all that bad I don't think given all the circumstances.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 08:17 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Stalin suggested that the most of the officer corp of the German army around 50,000 be hung just to start with.

Well, the Russians did have a couple of war criminal trials (like the one in Nuremberg) as well.
And, indeed, a couple of officers where hanged, like these in Kiev (30.01.1946)
http://i53.tinypic.com/2eed1qa.jpg
[Source: Central State Archive of Documentary Film and Photography; courtesy of USHMM Photo Archives]


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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 08:17 am
@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

The Carthage solution however did have some supports in the West as well.


As said above: all can be seen and read and examined. e.g. at the Cecilienhof in Potsdam (been there with some A2K'ers).
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 12:45 pm
This question may have been asked before on this thread. I was wondering whether the arrest and imprisonment of Manning will discourage others from providing information to WikiLeaks. Will this fact alone severely decrease potential sources for WikiLeaks?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 12:59 pm
@wandeljw,
Yes. The government is going to prosecute any government employee who shares confidential information.

Before I was allowed to work with nukes in the US Air Force, we were told about the penalties of sharing information we learned about nukes; 10 years in prison and $10,000 fine. (Back in the fifties, $10,000 was a lot of money.)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 01:04 pm
@wandeljw,
Well, the OMB memo even asks: "Do you capture evidence of pre-employment and/or post-employment activities or participation in on-line media data mining sites like WikiLeaks or Open Leaks?"

That will help additionally.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 01:34 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
We rebuilt Germany.


WE REBUILT GERMEN YES ........

First tell me that the Nazis would had been so kind if the situation had been reverse.

Second the 'Carthage solution' was consider by our ww2 leadership concerning Germany by that name as a matter of fact.

Look if up we did consider turning all of Germany into farmland.


Bill and Spendius - the 2 of you rebuilt Germany? You're so ill informed it's hard to know where to start, but at least try checking the Marshall Fund accounts: Germany paid back every last cent of that money with the interest agreed at the time. Notorious deadbeats like Italy still owe some.

The "green fields" operation you're thinking of was known as the Morgenthau plan, from the Sec. Treasury who proposed it. The facts have to be spoon-fed to you one-by-one it seems - first the Lusitania, then the Marshall plan, then greenfields operations.... what next?!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 03:03 pm
@High Seas,
I've already concluded that BillRM is a total ignoramus who posts bull **** without understanding most social issues of our day - including WWII. Germany also paid back other countries and reparations in excess of $61 billion since 1951.
High Seas
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 03:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Thanks - hadn't realized Germany had paid out quite that much, esp. since in the '50s, '60s, '70s, $61 billion was real money Smile
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 03:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Where did I address if Germany pay back or did not pay back any post WW2 loans?

Oh the form of the aid we gave Germany to allow them to rebuild is beside the point we provided the means for them to rebuilt.
 

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