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WikiLeaks about to hit the fan

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 06:37 pm
@ehBeth,
Who ever was looking after the security of those data bases/cables was stupid indeed and did not even have the normal precautions that most international businesses have in placed with important business information.

The cables leaks are a one time event not an ongoing problem in my opinion.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 06:51 pm
@BillRM,
That's not the first time hackers got into government files; they never seem to learn from their mistakes.
High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 07:10 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

The cables leaks are a one time event not an ongoing problem in my opinion.

The opposite is true. If WikiLeaks can accelerate the downfall of many more African dictators (no matter what Wandel, innocent of African affairs, may think) then that's an obvious positive. "Democracy" in lands where people can't read, write, or do arithmetic beyond "1, 2, 3, many" is a cruel joke.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 07:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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That's not the first time hackers got into government files; they never seem to learn from their mistakes


There was no hackers in this case just a young man given far too must access and far too must trust on systems that did not even have their USBs ports disable so you could walk away with all that information on memory sticks.

You tighten up the security and placed the young man in question in a small dark cell for the rest of his life as a warning to others and go on with business.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 07:31 pm
@BillRM,
True.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 07:41 pm
@BillRM,
You obviously don't know what Manning did, or why Lamo (since safely ensconced into a psychiatric facility) handed over their conversation logs to Wired magazine, or why the leftist Salon.com (posted earlier, though unaccountably ignored) claims Lamo is a government plant, or paid agent.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jan, 2011 07:43 pm
I remember when wikileaks came out the idea was that it offered a way to separate the leaker from the leak (thus avoiding prosecution/persecution). The following story provides some weight to why this is a good idea.

Basically India has quite new freedom of information legislation - and now requesters are being persecuted and executed when vested interests are threatened.

Dying for data: the Indian activist killed for asking too many questions
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Shashidhar Mishra was always a curious man. Neighbours in the scruffy industrial town of Baroni, in the northern Indian state of Bihar, called him "kabri lal" or "the news man" because he was always so well informed.

Late every evening, the 35-year-old street hawker would sit down with his files and scribble notes. In February, the father of four was killed outside his home after a day's work selling pens, sweets and snacks in Baroni's bazaar.

The killing was swift and professional. The street lights went out, two men on motorbikes drew up and there were muffled shots. Mishra, an enthusiastic RTI activist, as those who systematically use India's right to information law to uncover wrongdoing and official incompetence are known, became the latest in the country's growing list of RTI martyrs.

The RTI law, introduced by the Congress party-led government in 2005, was a radical piece of legislation giving private citizens the right to demand written answers from India's always opaque and often corrupt bureaucracy and state institutions such as the police and army.

"It was a total paradigm shift from a regime of secrecy to one of transparency," the law minister, Veerappa Moily, said in an interview in Delhi. "It has changed the entire culture of governance."

In many ways, the law has been an astonishing success, prompting requests from tens of thousands of often poor, sometimes almost illiterate, always highly motivated citizens. In Bihar, more than 100,000 demands were made last year, 20 times as many as five years ago, said AK Choudry, the chief information commissioner for the state. In India as a whole at least a million RTI requests have now been filed.

"This act is for the common man of India. Without paying a bribe a poor man can get answers. We have the right to know what is happening in this country," said Afroz Alam Sahil, a student from Bihar who has registered hundreds of requests.

Yet, with the rule of law weak in much of the country, exercising new rights can mean danger. At least 10 activists have been killed so far this year. All found themselves up against powerful individuals, often in league with local authorities. One uncovered a series of corrupt land deals and thefts of social benefits by officials and was subsequently hacked to death near his home near the city of Pune, Maharashtra state.

A 55-year-old stallholder was killed after investigating electricity supplies and gambling dens in his home town of Surat in the western state of Gujarat. Two activists investigating fraud in government labour schemes for the poor were killed in the lawless eastern state of Jharkand, while others - including a 47-year-old sugar cane farmer in the central state of Maharashtra and an activist near the southern city of Bengaluru - were killed after investigating land acquisitions by big businessmen.

In July, Amit Jethava, a pharmacist in Gujarat who had hounded officials about mining endangering Asian lions, spotted deer and wild boar near his village was shot dead. There has since been a lull in the killings, but beatings, intimidations and threats continue.

Amitabh Thakur, who heads an RTI network in Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh, and is writing a book on the RTI martyrs said that "cases of murder, persecution, prosecution and harassment" are legion. "When you are digging for information there are people who try to hide it from you," he said. "They will do what it takes to keep it hidden."

The true number of activists killed could be much higher. Frequently, campaigners say, the authorities deny a link between the RTI requests and violence, dismissing incidents as everyday crime.

Choudry said that no killing linked to RTI had taken place in Bihar and that Mishra's death in February was "not linked to any RTI application". Local police denied Mishra was an activist and said they no longer had possession of the investigation file opened on his death. It contained, his family said, most of the answers he had received to his various RTI requests.

The dead man had hidden a box of papers at home that suggest the hawker's activism was indeed the reason for his murder. The documents, seen by the Guardian, included receipts for hundreds of different applications for information about local officials, businessmen and even the police themselves.

Mishra, described by his sister as a "sharp and smart guy", had started demanding information two years before his death. His first target was a local government-run dairy, a big employer, where he suspected animals were being mistreated. His next campaign focused on unlicensed stalls run on public land outside the local railway station. These were eventually demolished.

Encouraged by his success, Mishra asked for records of land purchases and sales by members of the local council over the last 20 years. In June last year, he began investigating the local market, largely built by local businessmen on government land. A month later, he asked why there was no electricity in the local health clinic. By the end of the year, he had established that many of the contracts awarded to resurface a road through the town were suspect. He spoke darkly to his family of death threats.

In December and January, Mishra filed a flurry of further information requests, asking for details of the postings of certain policemen and the whereabouts of vehicles the police had recently impounded.

On 9 February , he requested a list of those contracted to carry out construction of a road in the market. He also demanded the local council's 2009 accounts. The answer — which showed that at least £80,000 had been paid to contractors for work that had never been carried out — arrived in May, three months after his death.

His killers had used silenced handguns, the mark of professionals. That a power cut plunged the street into darkness for the few minutes they needed to work indicates the involvement of officials, campaigners claim.

Now his brother Mahdidar is trying to look after four extra children on a family income that has been halved. He told the Guardian he was "desperate".

"I want justice for my brother, but what can I do? There are many corrupt and powerful. I am just one man."

Cases of intimidation and violence are "isolated", Moily, the law minister, insisted. "Wherever protection is needed the government provides it."


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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 06:25 am
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US cable leaks' collateral damage in Zimbabwe
(James Richardson, The Guardian, January 3, 2011)

When WikiLeaks whistleblowers began circulating in April footage of a 2007 Iraq war incursion in which US military personnel unwittingly killed two war correspondents and several civilians, the international community was aghast at the apparent murder. With sobering questions on the material's full context largely falling on deaf ears, the group was free to editorialise the scene as it pleased: "collateral murder".

But now, with the recent release of sensitive diplomatic cables, WikiLeaks may have committed its own collateral murder, upending the precarious balance of power in a fragile African state and signing the death warrant of its pro-western premier.

Zimbabwe's Morgan Tsvangirai's call to public service has been a tortured one, punctuated by death and indignity.

His numerous arrests and brushes with death began in 1997, when he emerged as the unlikely face of opposition to President Robert Mugabe. That year, Mugabe's henchmen nearly threw Tsvangirai from the window of his tenth floor office. He would be arrested on four separate occasions in the years to follow. During one such arrest, in 2007, he was severely beaten and tortured by Zimbabwean special forces at the behest of the ruling political party.

After Zimbabwe's 2008 presidential contest – featuring incumbent Mugabe, Tsvangirai and independent Simba Makoni – failed to award any candidate with the majority necessary to claim victory, the election defaulted to a runoff between the two highest vote-getters, Mugabe and Tsvangirai.

In the days succeeding the first round of balloting, Tsvangirai was the alleged target of an assassination plot and subsequently taken into the custody of Mugabe's police, for which American and German diplomats demanded his immediate release. After initially committing to pursuing a second challenge to Mugabe, Tsvangirai withdrew in protest, lambasting the election as a "violent sham" in which his supporters were risking their lives to cast ballots in his favour. Indeed, it is estimated that over 100 MDC supporters met an untimely demise in the period following the election.

Following intense negotiations, the two parties agreed in February 2009 to a coalition government, in which Mugabe would remain head of state – a post he had held uninterrupted for 30 years – and Tsvangirai would assume the premiership. Not one month later, Tsvangirai and his wife were involved in a suspicious collision with a lorry. Though the prime minister survived, his wife for 31 years died.

With little regard for the nuances and subtlety of soft international diplomacy, WikiLeaks released last week a classified US state department cable relating a 2009 meeting between Tsvangirai and American and European ambassadors, whose countries imposed travel sanctions and asset freezes on Mugabe and his top political lieutenants on the eve of Zimbabwe's 2002 presidential election.

Though western sanctions don't prohibit foreign trade and investment or affect international aid – it's said that Zimbabwe's 2009 cholera epidemic topped 100,000 cases, registering some 4,300 deaths – the Mugabe administration effectively characterised the sanctions as an affront to the common Zimbabwean, further crippling the nation's already hobbled economy. (Zimbabwe's national unemployment figure hovers somewhere near 90%.)

Publicly, Tsvangirai opposed the measures out of political necessity. In private conversations with western diplomats, however, the ascendant Tsvangirai praised its utility in forcing Mugabe's hand in the new unity government.

Now, in the wake of the WikiLeaks' release, one of the men targeted by US and EU travel and asset freezes, Mugabe's appointed attorney general, has launched a probe to investigate Tsvangirai's involvement in sustained western sanctions. If found guilty, Tsvangirai will face the death penalty.

And so, where Mugabe's strong-arming, torture and assassination attempts have failed to eliminate the leading figure of Zimbabwe's democratic opposition, WikiLeaks may yet succeed. Twenty years of sacrifice and suffering by Tsvangirai all for naught, as WikiLeaks risks "collateral murder" in the name of transparency.

Before more political carnage is wrought and more blood spilled – in Africa and elsewhere, with special concern for those US-sympathising Afghans fingered in its last war document dump – WikiLeaks ought to leave international relations to those who understand it – at least to those who understand the value of a life.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 06:37 am
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

Quote:
US cable leaks' collateral damage in Zimbabwe
(James Richardson, The Guardian, January 3, 2011)



Quote:
James Richardson is a political and communications consultant. He served as the online communications manager for the Republican National Committee in the 2008 presidential contest and later directed the communications efforts for the committee's college GOP counterpart in 2009. He lives in Atlanta, Georgia and is account services director for Hynes Communications

Same source as above.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 09:00 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Yes.........
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 11:30 am
@wandeljw,
Quote:
WikiLeaks ought to leave international relations to those who understand it – at least to those who understand the value of a life.


apparently the U.S. government didn't get the memo
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 11:38 am
@ehBeth,
or the message.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 11:44 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

wandeljw wrote:

Quote:
US cable leaks' collateral damage in Zimbabwe
(James Richardson, The Guardian, January 3, 2011)



Quote:
James Richardson is a political and communications consultant. He served as the online communications manager for the Republican National Committee in the 2008 presidential contest and later directed the communications efforts for the committee's college GOP counterpart in 2009. He lives in Atlanta, Georgia and is account services director for Hynes Communications

Same source as above.


I am pleased to learn that the criticism of WikiLeaks is bipartisan.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 12:56 pm
@wandeljw,
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WikiLeaks ought to leave international relations to those who understand it – at least to those who understand the value of a life.


What kind of twisted thinking is this? Who is this asshole, this James Richardson? As if the USA and the UK understand the least thing about THE VALUE OF A LIFE!!

Saturation bombing towns and villages doesn't point to a group that knows THE VALUE OF A LIFE!!

Napalming villages does not indicate that someone knows THE VALUE OF A LIFE!!

Creating free fire zones does not indicate that those people have the slightest conception of THE VALUE OF A LIFE!!

What utter god damn drivel!
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 01:00 pm
@wandeljw,
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I am pleased to learn that the criticism of WikiLeaks is bipartisan


For the USA, killing innocents has always been bipartisan, Wandel, but you know all this and still you try to deflect from the actual issues, focusing on the most inane pieces of dreck that you can dredge up from the swamp that all US propaganda flows from.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 01:02 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

I am pleased to learn that the criticism of WikiLeaks is bipartisan.


And I'm pleased that one of the papers which published the WikiLeaks papers publishes opposite opinions as well - freedom of the press, freedom of opinion, ...

(To be honest: actually, this comment hasn't been printed - neither in the national nor the international edition - but was only published in the Guardian's blog "CIF America".)
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hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 03:57 pm
@wandeljw,
Hi JW - thought you might be interested in the response to Anderson's article from WL 2011-01-04: James Richardson's Collateral Damage in the Guardian: WikiLeaks & Tsvangirai

hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 03:58 pm
8 Smears and Misconceptions About WikiLeaks Spread By the Media
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 03:59 pm
Some movement on Manning
Motion to Dismiss for Lack of Speedy Trial
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 04:02 pm
@hingehead,
I especially liked number 5 on your list, because I read Daniel Ellsberg's book that reveals all the lies told to start that illegal war:

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5. Denying a link between Ellsberg's Pentagon Papers and WikiLeaks, despite Ellsberg's support of the site. In 1969, Daniel Ellsberg secretly photocopied classified documents that proved the Johnson administration had lied to the American public about the chances of winning the Vietnam War, which it knew from the beginning were slim to none. By 1970, Ellsberg had become disillusioned with the desperate situation and began circulating the documents, first to U.S. senators, then to the New York Times, which reported the contents in a groundbreaking series of articles that set in motion the end to the war...and the Nixon administration. By doing so, he helped end an unjust war carried out in the name of the American people. His actions are widely heralded.
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