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Vikings brought first native American to Europe

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 28 Nov, 2010 03:22 pm
@Francis,
Francis wrote:
I'd say that the acculturation does more for mastering the English language than anything else.


This is a good point. Many east Asian learners of English are motivated by a desire to do business in North America, whereas that might not necessarily be as advantageous for the European. When i was in Korea and Japan, i was constantly asked to come speak to ESL classes, or even to teach as a volunteer. They were very eager not simply to learn English, but to be able to speak it idiomatically. I think the Koreans have been the most successful among the east Asians, both because of tens of thousands of Americans being stationed in their country for 60 years, and because of the avidity of their application. Sometimes i hear the overnight radio programs when international radio shows are broadcast. When the foreign service of Korean radio is broadcast, i have more than once been surprised to learn that that is what i was listening to, because the news readers sound so exactly like Americans. For what reason i do not know, but the only other international service which i have heard in which the new readers are speaking a "faultless" American is Czech radio. Go figure.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sun 28 Nov, 2010 04:52 pm
@saab,
Minnesota 'Vikings' indicate their Viking heritage. Lots of Swedes there originally from impoverished Sweden. I noticed many female students had huge hips either from sitting on the tractor all day or as some explained from their Swedish genes.
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saab
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 04:50 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpHniCEHY7I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3Oq8VbHAdI&feature=related

Ceili
 
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Reply Mon 29 Nov, 2010 11:57 am
@saab,
Those were great, but I'm afraid my Swedish is still a bit rusty. Embarrassed
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Fido
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2010 06:10 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

The Hiberno-Scottish monk theory has no archaelogical proof, and remains a theory. I'm guessing monks wouldn't leave a genetic trail ;-)

I would have thought Greenland was the most likely first place a skraeling would appeared in a Norse colony - nothing to stop the gene travelling back to Iceland though.

A monk wouldn't leave a trail??? Only a trail of pregnant widows... Like the book said: legitimate till the thirteenth month after death... Its a miracle...
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Kaiser Tigerstar
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2010 03:39 pm
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
unless it is a native of Greenland, i doubt it. The Vikings were actually driven off of the Labrador coast when they discovered it.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 04:51 am
@Kaiser Tigerstar,
Kaiser Tigerstar wrote:
The Vikings were actually driven off of the Labrador coast when they discovered it.


That's pretty vague, and it is therefore, misleading. Bjarni Herjolfsson discovered the Labrador coast in 985. He not only didn't attempt to colonize it, he wouldn't even let his men land. Sometime very early in the next century (circa 1001-1005 CE), Torvald Eriksson was a part of an expedition which was looking for Leif Eriksson's Vinland (Leif had refused to divulge its whereabouts or to accompany the expediton). Thorvald was convinced that he would find Vinland along the coast of what is now Labrador. He entered what is now called the English River, and proceeded westward to what is now called Lake Melville. They found some "skraelings" (almost certainly Thule culture eskimos), and killed all but one of them, who escaped. This was while they were coasting on Lake Melville to the south from the outlet of the English River. Incredibly (for the stupidity), they continued to the south, and then camped for the night. The following morning, they were attacked by skraelings, but managed to get underway, and escape their tomentors. Thorvald then informed his crew that he had gotten his death wound. They buried him on the shores of the lake.

The parts of the expedition returned piecemeal to Greenland (which is not generally considered a part of North America), and no further attempt was made to explore or to colonize North America (as far as we know--there is no evidence of it, at any event). They did continue to visit the coast of Labrador for hunting, sealing and to get timber there.

Your remark is an oversimplified reference to the Thorvald Eriksson incident, and leaves the wrong impression.
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