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What the F has Obama done so far?

 
 
nimh
 
Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2010 12:57 pm
Thought this was clever enough to share:

http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2010 01:14 pm
@nimh,
Love it. (I would, but....) Thanks!
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2010 07:44 pm
@nimh,
Smile Clever!
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failures art
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2010 08:02 pm
My clicking finger got tired. Now I'm mad that Obama has done too much...

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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2010 08:26 pm
@failures art,
You can count yourself fortunate, then, about the likely Republican gains tonight. (My House district, for example is gerrymandered to go Democratic by a 70:30 margin. The challenger was a totally retarded Tea Party candidate. And she came close to winning it (45:55 percent).)

Looks like Obama will be getting a lot less done for the next two years. Confused
Fido
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2010 09:07 pm
@nimh,
He did not tell the truth; and that would be, in brief that interest made on money loaned to people that is given by the government to private parties to lend is stealing the life out of the people for profit...

And, when the rich are not taxed, but have money to lend to the government to cover expenses they refuse to be taxed for, so that the people must cover their profits and loses sooner or later out of taxes they cannot avoid, then they are stealing the life out of the people for profit...

Mr. Obama is an idiot to play from the center... WE are beyond that... If the right is going to tell lies, and the poor out of fear and desparation are inclined to believe them then the truth must be told loud and clear from the roof tops... Waiting for the truth to filter out does not get it... If you know the truth then tell it... The fact is, that Mr. Obama is more white than black, and he is a product of the form... He cannot see out of his paradigm and deserves to crash with it... The republicans are going to ball things up... Anything Obama got passed they will kill by killing the funding... They are going to make him a failure and then blame him for being a failute, when he could have rallied the people and drove them over the top of the republicans, just by telling the truth, just by calling a spade a spade, and getting down in every republican district and making an issue of the voting record of every one of those SOBs...

From the perspective of a revolutionary, nothing could be better... It is the Weimar Republic all over again... Nothing fails like failure, and if this is democracy, the people are justified in hating it... But it is not democracy, and the fascists who want to destroy it will have every opprtunity now that the failure of the government is at hand... Hell and hoooray... Scarry times ahead...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2010 09:25 pm
The stim bill tax cuts:
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Category Programs Cost
Tax Cuts for Individuals New tax credit for workersmore »

Provide a tax credit at a rate of 6.2 percent of earned income (after federal taxes are taken out), up to $400 for individuals and up to $800 for couples, in 2009 and 2010. The credit begins to phase out at income levels of $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 for married couples filing jointly. Since the credit is “refundable,” people with no federal income-tax liability will get money back.
$116.2 billion
Tax Cuts for Individuals Extend patch for the alternative minimum taxmore »

Exempt up to $46,700 of an individual's income and $70,950 of a couple's income from the A.M.T. in 2009 and allow the use of nonrefundable personal credits to avoid the A.M.T. The tax was originally aimed at the very rich but has begun to engulf middle-income families because it has not been adjusted for inflation. Each year, Congress creates a temporary fix to keep millions of people from paying the alternative minimum tax.
$69.8 billion
Tax Cuts for Individuals Expand eligibility for Child Tax Creditmore »

Allow households making at least $3,000 to subtract $1,000 from their tax bill for each child in 2009 and 2010. Under current law, the tax credit is of no use to families with incomes below $12,550.
$14.8 billion
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Fido
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2010 04:12 am
@Thomas,
Yes; the people have spoken and their message is impasse and confusion... This is going to be fun...
failures art
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2010 04:18 am
http://nicolasrapp.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/stimulus_large.gif

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2010 12:11 pm
@Fido,
It's not only fun, but it's going to get really funny when the GOP tries to create jobs and cut the federal deficit. ROFL
Fido
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2010 01:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It's not only fun, but it's going to get really funny when the GOP tries to create jobs and cut the federal deficit. ROFL

I have to wonder how many times the american people are going to ask for a new deal before they figure out that the deck is stacked and the dealer is a mechanic...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2010 02:02 pm
@Fido,
The American people are confused; they believe Obama increased their taxes when in fact he reduced them through the stim bill. Those making less than $75,000 all got tax breaks.

The American people also believe Obama should have been able to increase jobs in our country after the world financial crisis that bankrupted most banks and finance companies in two short years.

There's no cure for stupid. If they think the GOP is going to improve the jobs picture in two years or reduce the national debt with more tax cuts, they're all going to be disappointed.

The US economy is struggling to maintain a <2% annual GDP growth as more American pay off their debt and increase their savings.

There is nobody on this planet who can turn around the world economy in two years. Too many countries are suffering from high deficits with no job growth.

I've lost faith in the American people; they are too ignorant to know better than to make it more difficult for our government to operate and increase gridlock when we need them to take care of this crisis of lost jobs and homes. The GOP has never provided any detailed solutions for this economic crisis; all they have parroted is "cut taxes." I believe children are smarter.

Fido
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 06:00 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

The American people are confused; they believe Obama increased their taxes when in fact he reduced them through the stim bill. Those making less than $75,000 all got tax breaks.

The American people also believe Obama should have been able to increase jobs in our country after the world financial crisis that bankrupted most banks and finance companies in two short years.

There's no cure for stupid. If they think the GOP is going to improve the jobs picture in two years or reduce the national debt with more tax cuts, they're all going to be disappointed.

The US economy is struggling to maintain a <2% annual GDP growth as more American pay off their debt and increase their savings.

There is nobody on this planet who can turn around the world economy in two years. Too many countries are suffering from high deficits with no job growth.

I've lost faith in the American people; they are too ignorant to know better than to make it more difficult for our government to operate and increase gridlock when we need them to take care of this crisis of lost jobs and homes. The GOP has never provided any detailed solutions for this economic crisis; all they have parroted is "cut taxes." I believe children are smarter.



Sure; but if they are confused, is it not Mr. Obama's job to unconfuse them??? For the democrats to sit back like punching bags and ask: Is that all you got; is stupid... Why should I vote for the party of stupid... I honestly have better reason to vote republican because they make real change possible only because the people are ready for change, but are only waiting on the complete failure of their government before acting... Republicans get us closer to the point of failure faster... And it is essential for change that people do not get demoralized and accept their worsoning condition as inevitable...

Jefferson said in the declaration that people do not change their forms for light and transient reasons... In fact, they build social forms for stability; but social forms like government and the economy are giving change at breakneck speed, faster than people can accept or manage... We might be stupid, and we certainly are ignorant... What we are most ignorant is how to change our forms, and when change become inevitable if we will survive... People hung onto the Greek and Roman forms up till the moment of their destruction... There forms led to their destruction, but growing up in those forms, people did not see, because they were not able to see the form in any objective manor... Jefferson demonstrated formal consciousness and that is what we need to develope, if we would change our forms without more pain or violence.

To use a simple example, when people get married they agree before hand of what the goals are, and lay down some rules and understandings... As with all forms, there is the formal aspect of giving mutual oaths. and each side will have their expectations given their own experience of the marriages of others of where perfection lies... It is a fallacy for them to believe that the thing once done, is ever done for good... Forms change under the pressure of need and the force of wills... And the change is not necessarily bad considering how terrible it is for the form to become ossified and incapable of being changed to suit changing situations...

The people do not know the form can be changed, and so are ignorant in that sense...

Because the people are led to believe that the forms of their government and economy are perfect, they are unable to see them as they are, objectively as forms -which are forever being changed.... And because they see the form as perfect, they blame each other for the form not working, and certainly, some people do benefit short term by the failure of the form... But if freedom of religion, and freedom of press, and freedom of assembly which defends the parties worked, and contributed to our general freedom, our form of government might still work, so their freedom is not our freedom...

We cannot change the form without seeing ourselves universally as the victims of it, and as long as so many hold the belief that people are the problem while the form is perfect, change will be beyond us.... But the history of human kind is the history of changing forms, and it is only those people who could not swap out failing forms for new and living forms who were swept away by histories cruel broom...

The people are not the problem... The problem is how to teach them that they have the power, once they see the problem in formal terms, to change their material circumstances... You would not live in a form of dwelling with a leaking roof... You would either fix the roof or find a new place to live... Reform is impossible in this society and only revolutionary reformation of the entire society and human relations will save us... As hard as it may be, we must learn to talk to the other side in simple terms they know already and understand... Everyone already knows the meaning of form... They need to be able to relate it to their lives....

And teaching them is my problem
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 10:36 am
@Fido,
That's true; Obama did a very poor job of communicating his progress. However, there is an innate-inborn problem with the American electorate when their paychecks saw less tax deductions, but still think their taxes were increased. There's no cure for stupid!
Fido
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 12:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

That's true; Obama did a very poor job of communicating his progress. However, there is an innate-inborn problem with the American electorate when their paychecks saw less tax deductions, but still think their taxes were increased. There's no cure for stupid!

There is a cure for ignorance, and that is education... But the problem with stupidity is that it is its own best defense, and it has defenders in every person elected on the basis of reactionary advertizing... The people are scared... They do not have the time, and I mean that seriously, do not have the time luxury of educating themselves to the facts, and are left to trust people they already trust to give them the truth of the matter... They are smart enough to fear their government and know enough to be warry of other people... But so much of the problem of our form of government is that it counts on the stupidity of people and feeds that stupidity rather than funding education for all.... It is the original catch 22... The people were denied political power because they were uneducated, and because they have no political power there is no need to educate them...

We know we are ignorant, and so fear intelligent people in possitions of authority... What is the alternative: Bush??? And Bush Clones??? They are idealogues, and they do not seem to realize that their ideal of America with its free enterprise is enslaving the population, and stealing the commonwealth..
talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 01:21 pm
@Fido,
I think the education system allowed too many to skip hard math and science courses. The new math didn't help either as it turned off too many kids from math. They placed conceptualization above practice. Not everyone is going to be or want to be a scientist.
Fido
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 01:30 pm
@talk72000,
talk72000 wrote:

I think the education system allowed too many to skip hard math and science courses. The new math didn't help either as it turned off too many kids from math. They placed conceptualization above practice. Not everyone is going to be or want to be a scientist.

A worse problem from my perspective is demonstrated by my daughters government course... It teaches the ideal value of free enterprise at the same time as it teaches how the government works inevitably intertwining them in the minds of the student... So; is it really the job of the government to support the economy, or is it the job of the economy to support government??? Because the way I see it, capitalism has been on serious life support for 70 odd years, with government supporting the rights of property for far longer, and the more rights it has handed property of our civil rights, the worse the situation has grown for us... It is not just students, but people in government who need to divorce their consideration of the just place of government from the affairs of business... And yes, some basic math in the way of economics would help people to understand what is going on, but not one of those people wants an objective discussion of socialism, and the fact is that democracy has never existed but as the political expression of socialism of economy... Each depends equally upon the idea of social equality, and our economy is a denial of social equality...
talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 01:37 pm
@Fido,
It is the government that comes first and it was in England that the idea of corporation withlimited liabilities was madea reality. Free enterprise is misinterpreted and used to justify oligarchy.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 01:37 pm
@talk72000,
That's what happened when GW Bush implemented No Child Left Behind, and educators all across the country started to teach our children how to pass standardized tests rather than getting a "real" education. Math and science suffered, and educators "still don't get it." Standardized tests do not work, because a) not all children come from the same mold, b) not all children learn at the same rate, and c) not all children have the same interests.

I live in Silicon Valley, and many of the companies here that are good at developing new technology worry that our children are falling behind in math and science.

Our educators continue to exacerbate this problem with their standardized testing of our children.
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Fido
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 01:42 pm
@talk72000,
talk72000 wrote:

It is the government that comes first and it was in England that the idea of corporation withlimited liabilities was madea reality. Free enterprise is misinterpreted and used to justify oligarchy.

Perhaps you mean Plutocracy, and in which case I agree... But the corporation comes from ancient Rome, and since it shares with individual their rights, and does not share their consequences or their mortality they definetly have the advantage... You see how they preach individualism to us, but they give up their individualism in a heartbeat to combine in a nameless faceless corporation for wealth and power... Individualism is for saps... The powerful and effective cooperate and organize to plunder the commonwealth...
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