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marijuana, revisited

 
 
Ionus
 
  0  
Wed 27 Oct, 2010 05:07 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Highly doubtful.
Your reasons being ......?
spendius
 
  -1  
Wed 27 Oct, 2010 05:14 pm
@Ionus,
Because he said so. It's all the evidence many Americans trust.
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Wed 27 Oct, 2010 09:00 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

Quote:
Highly doubtful.
Your reasons being ......?

Why would the Mexican cartels buy semi-auto US weapons when their country is full of select fire weapons that were made in other countries?
Ionus
 
  1  
Thu 28 Oct, 2010 02:55 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Why would the Mexican cartels buy semi-auto US weapons when their country is full of select fire weapons that were made in other countries?
Perhaps you are unaware the Mexican President gave an interview where he said drugs go north and weapons come south ? Or do you think he doesnt know what he is talking about ?
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Thu 28 Oct, 2010 06:02 am
@Ionus,
He doesn't know what he's talking about.
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Thu 28 Oct, 2010 06:42 am
@H2O MAN,
Mexico was flooded with select fire weapons long ago and they move them NORTH across our border.
Ionus
 
  1  
Thu 28 Oct, 2010 06:58 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Mexico was flooded with select fire weapons long ago and they move them NORTH across our border.
I think that would be like carting sand to the beach.
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Thu 28 Oct, 2010 07:14 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

Quote:
Mexico was flooded with select fire weapons long ago and they move them NORTH across our border.
I think that would be like carting sand to the beach.


Your reasons being ......?
Ionus
 
  1  
Thu 28 Oct, 2010 07:17 am
@H2O MAN,
Exactly how hard is it to buy guns in the USA that they would risk a valuable border crossing to smuggle guns and not drugs ? Which is worth more per portage?
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Thu 28 Oct, 2010 07:28 am
@Ionus,
It's very difficult to obtain a legal select-fire weapon here in the states, but criminals have no problem coming up with
the cash needed to purchase illegal select-fire weapons that have been smuggled into this country via the black market.

People, drugs and weapons move north out of Mexico as valuable border crossings every single day.
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Thu 28 Oct, 2010 10:14 am
Would Legalizing Marijuana Destroy Drug Cartels?
djjd62
 
  1  
Thu 28 Oct, 2010 10:19 am
@Ionus,
i once took coal to newcastle, boy was that a mistake, not only did my luggage get filthy, they already had lots of coal
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InfraBlue
 
  2  
Thu 28 Oct, 2010 10:46 am
@H2O MAN,
Here's a link to a study published by the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars Mexico Institute:

U.S. Firearms Trafficking to Mexico: New Data and Insights Illuminate Key Trends and Challenges


Quote:
According to analysis presented by an ATF Agent in August 2010, the top two firearms recovered in Mexico that had been purchased in the United States in the past three years were in order AK-47 type semi-automatic rifles (7.62x39mm caliber) and AR-15 semi-automatic rifle clones (.223 caliber).109 The Romarms (Romanian manufactured) AK-47 rifle and the Bushmaster AR-15 rifle clone have been particularly popular.110 While these firearms were likely purchased in the United States in a semiautomatic configuration before being seized in Mexico, many of them were converted to fire as select fire machine-guns.111 Mexico seized a combined total of more than 4,400 firearms of .762 and .223caliber in 2009.112 The AK-47 and AR-15 respectively are common types of firearms for these calibers.


Quote:
Many of the Romanian manufactured AK-47s that found their way to Mexico have been imported into the United States from Europe as a whole firearm or in parts as a kit despite a U.S. ban on the importation of semi-automatic assault rifles.114


Quote:
. . . individuals or groups regularly use straw purchasing as part of a scheme to traffic U.S. firearms to Mexico.22 Straw purchasers are individuals who say they are purchasing a firearm for themselves but the real purchaser is someone else. While new data continues to show Texas, Arizona, and California as major source states for firearms recovered in Mexico, ATF in California says if the analysis is narrowed to firearms purchased in the United States in the last three years California is not as much of a major source.23
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Thu 28 Oct, 2010 11:37 am
Clarification added by me.


Quote:
While these firearms were likely purchased in the United States in a (LEGAL) semiautomatic configuration before being seized in Mexico, many of them were converted to fire as (ILLEGAL) select fire machine-guns (once in MEXICO).


The real deal select fire machine guns in Mexico are not from the US.

All of this would be of no real importance if the US would decriminalize Marijuana.
InfraBlue
 
  1  
Thu 28 Oct, 2010 03:23 pm
@H2O MAN,
What do you mean by "real deal" select fire machine guns?
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Thu 28 Oct, 2010 03:45 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

What do you mean by "real deal" select fire machine guns?


Ones that left the factory with a fully functional selector switch, not those that were modified illegally after they left the factory.
InfraBlue
 
  1  
Thu 28 Oct, 2010 04:16 pm
@H2O MAN,
According to the report "real deal" select fire machine guns would make up a small percentage of the weapons used by the Drug Trade Organizations.

Quote:
In May 2010, for example, the Mexican government, which has received training from ATF to better identify firearms, said that of the 75,000 firearms it seized in the last three years about 80 percent, or 60,000 firearms, came from the United States.18


Most of the select fire machine guns used by the DTO's are purchased in the US as semi-automatic weapons, like the Romanian made AK-47, and the US made AR-15 clones, and later converted. Most of those semi-automatic weapons that the DTO's purchase in the US are not converted.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Thu 28 Oct, 2010 05:06 pm
I admit I haven't read each and every post, but I get the impression that some folks are trying to argue that we owe the violence of Mexican drug cartels to American gun manufacturers.

No that can't be right.
spendius
 
  1  
Thu 28 Oct, 2010 05:09 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Of course it can't. They would have got guns from somewhere.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Thu 28 Oct, 2010 05:09 pm
@spendius,
Unlike the entirely Enlightened Brits.
 

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