Wal-Mart signifies all that is wrong in America

The study PDiddie refers to should give any locality pause before agreeing to welcome Walmart.

And I love all the right-wingers in this thread who support Walmart. Given all the gov't help their employees need, it sounds like a great argument for the planned centralized economy. What the Soviet Union failed to do, Walmart will achieve!

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In the city where I live, there is a Target right next to Walmart. Target has been forced to lower their prices in order to compete (Target was there first).

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Pick a company--ANY company or corporation. They are in the business to make money. Wal-Mart is a goldmine.

Now look at every other major corporation in America. They are in the same business.

If you don't like them, don't shop there. If you don't like the other companies, don't patronize them. If the rest of America felt as you do, there would be no Wal-Mart.

Rolling Eyes

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...but what if Walmart does actually get the
property in Ontario which abutts a 600 acre
religious retreat (which has been in existence for
many years).

Would this be a case of Walmart's insensitivity to the nature of the community it intends to potentially inhabit or does the fault lie
with incompetence on the part of urban (and rural) planners?

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shepaints wrote:

Would this be a case of Walmart's insensitivity to the nature of the community it intends to potentially inhabit or does the fault lie with incompetence on the part of urban (and rural) planners?

Both.

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companies are in the business to make money. without patronage, they have no business.

In this case, WalMart needs to find a different venue. If not, and word of this does reach the masses, they may lose big time. We just have to hope that the powers that be in WalMart recognize this before it's too late.

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Companies may be in the business to make money, but the rest of us have some say in the matter, too. Yes, we can choose not to shop there, but we can also choose to oppose permission for WalMart to move into a community. We can also spread accurate information about it means for WalMart to move in.

The company does an excellent job, via its ads, of telling the world how caring they are. It's up to those of us who feel differently to tell our side of the story.

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Um, D'artgnan, I think I just said that about two posts before.

If their practices offend, it's up to us as consumers to take action. Is that something you are planning on?

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Exactly the opposite in my area as far as Target vs. WalMart. The are is permeated with long established Target stores and three new ones just went up plus a remodel close to my house. I noted that when the two WalMarts opened up that their nursery prices were much higher and in a matter of months they came down to Target's prices. I just recently bought a T-Fal highly rated deep fryer which is of extraordinary quality for $34.95. WalMart is attempting to compete with a very low quality and poorly rated Rival brand at virtually the same price. I could have accidentally sneezed on the raised lid of the Rival and the lid would have broken off.

They can compete on sundries like motor oil (I just bought a case at Sam's because the store is closer to me than Costco) but they have things like small appliances made to their low standards. I don't know how many times I can say this but apparantly we have a lot of dumb shoppers on the boards.

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Lightwizard wrote:

They can compete on sundries like motor oil (I just bought a case at Sam's because the store is closer to me than Costco) but they have things like small appliances made to their low standards. I don't know how many times I can say this but apparantly we have a lot of dumb shoppers on the boards.

...and a few rather arrogant ones as well it seems.

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It's arrogance to comment on a store's low-quality merchandise? I never thought of you as such an egalitarian before, McG. Still, there are limits...

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D'artagnan wrote:

It's arrogance to comment on a store's low-quality merchandise? I never thought of you as such an egalitarian before, McG. Still, there are limits...

No, it's arrogance to assume that people that shop at Walmart are somehow inferior.

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I don't know how many times I can say this but apparantly we have a lot of dumb shoppers on the boards.

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I'm with ya, in part, McG. A smart shopper, I think, will know what products are decent quality - and a good price - at Walmart, and may choose to purchase them there. A dumb shopper will not consider cost or quality in their purchase.

I go to Walmart for a couple of things - one of them is pet 'stuff'. I just went on the weekend to get 2 new beds for the dogs to use in the car - they were about 40% of the cost of the beds available at PetSmart and Pet Valu (the two big chains near me) - they didn't need to be top quality as they'll be replaced in about a year regardless of condition. I know that there's no point, however, in buying the Ol Sam's brand dog food as quality matters more in that area for me, and the dogs get sick when they eat Ol Sam's - too high fat content or something.

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"Late last night I heard my screen door slam.
A big yellow bulldozer took away the house and the land.
Don't it always go to show
You'll never know what you got till it's gone?
They paved paradise, they put up a parking lot."

Big Yellow Taxi
Joni Mitchell

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I'm arriving late to this one, so let me make sure I'm up to speed: The issue being discussed here is how Wal-mart is a successful business and whether or not that is to be tolerated. Is that about right?

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No, but it does simplify the discussion in a way that makes WalMart seem like the aggrieved party...

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D'artagnan wrote:

No, but it does simplify the discussion in a way that makes WalMart seem like the aggrieved party...

Well, as long as we have one of those, we should be fine.

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Scrat wrote:

I'm arriving late to this one, so let me make sure I'm up to speed: The issue being discussed here is how Wal-mart is a successful business and whether or not that is to be tolerated. Is that about right?

As I understand it, the issues being discussed are whether Wal-Mart is responsible for their employees' low pay, whether Wal-Mart is selling shoddy products, whether Wal-Mart is deceiving its customers about the value its customers are getting for their money on said products, and whether it is appropriate for Wal-Mart to buy a large fraction of its products from Third World factories. My own answers to these questions are no, don't know, probably not too much, and yes. There may have been other issues, but these are the first four that occurred to me.

And it's nice to see you back, Scrat! Cool

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Thomas - Thanks for the point(s) of clarification and the welcome!

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McGentrix wrote:

D'artagnan wrote:
It's arrogance to comment on a store's low-quality merchandise? I never thought of you as such an egalitarian before, McG. Still, there are limits...

No, it's arrogance to assume that people that shop at Walmart are somehow inferior.

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I don't know how many times I can say this but apparantly we have a lot of dumb shoppers on the boards.

Sad really. I am not going to waste gas to go to Cosco -- which is a good 20 miles away or Sams Club which is 10 miles or so away--when I can just go to wal-mart which is 3 miles away.

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